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Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby collegestudent22 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:43 am

Yeah, so... Windows 8 was shown off at Microsoft's Build 2011 developer's conference. Or, at least, the "Metro" part of it was. What's with the heavy focus on the Metro UI and touch interfaces? Why won't they show how it works with a standard computer interface - a keyboard and mouse? Metro doesn't seem like it would be an improvement there.

All these 'Metro apps' sound great for a Windows phone, or perhaps a tablet PC. They don't really work with standard computers. Hence, the use of these systems in the conference - only one standard computer (termed an "enthusiast machine" by the presenters) was shown at all, and no demonstrations were done on it. It just sat there. Does Windows 8 even plan to change from Windows 7 on the standard PC beyond a better use of memory?
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby Deacon on Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:25 am

I know little about it. But I think the point is that it would be basically the same as 7 on standard computers but with a version that will run on tablets and mobile devices for some degree of cross-platform capability for stuff. Not sure.
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Could be. I am, currently, downloading a developer's preview of Windows 8 - the first option from here. I haven't decided whether to install it or not, yet. (Currently, I am drunk, and I don't think I am in the condition to make that call until I sober up.)

However, if I do, well, then I will have some knowledge of what we are looking at here.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby ampersand on Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:15 pm

Friends don't let friends download drunk, especially when it comes to Windows software. I've had problems just getting all of my MCP stuff downloaded. The Certified Professional website looks like it was developed by Microsoft people who were told they would be let go at the end of the month.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby collegestudent22 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:59 pm

Well, I know that installing it risks stability and incompatibility issues, as WIndows 8 isn't ready for market release yet. However, as I have access to the computer labs at the university, I may be able to get away with having a computer that doesn't always work.
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Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby Martin Blank on Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:32 am

I'm not entirely sure where Microsoft is going with Windows 8, except that they've finally heard some of the complaints about bloat and have begun doing something about it. Even with all of the additional debug code that comes with early previews, it installs at a much smaller size than did Windows 7 (IIRC, 8GB vs. 14GB). This suggests that Redmond understands the limitations of the devices on which it might be installed.

That they're also going the Apple route (in a way) and using the same basic codebase for all platforms is potentially a good thing. It allows them to roll out new features on a more rapid basis and to fix vulnerabilities earlier than they traditionally did on WM5/6 (which is to say, almost never).

I'm not terribly excited over Windows 8 in the way that I was about Vista and 7. I don't see Windows 8 as nearly as much of a game changer. We're running 64-bit versions as a matter of course now. That move came more smoothly than I'd expected. The IP stack covers IPv6 pretty well, so once the ISPs get off their asses and start rolling that out, most people will be in good shape. (That reminds me that I need to re-enable it at home.) The video architecture isn't going to change up much, either. I don't foresee a mass rush just because of DirectX 12 or video playback; too many people have bought new systems that cover their needs under Windows 7.

I'll probably upgrade to it in part because that's what I do, and I applaud Microsoft for being willing to overhaul the UI in a more drastic way than anything since the Windows 3.1-95 transition. I'm just not convinced that it's ultimately that big a deal.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby NeoRamasay on Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:19 pm

Personally, I don't mind the metro UI, given there's a box/icon/whatever on there by default that takes you right to the standard desktop UI, and i'm sure that they'll have an option of which UI to start with by release time (and if M$ forgets, i'm sure plenty of people will quickly remind them and make them put one in. :)).

I wouldn't mind a combination of the Metro and standard desktops - having the taskbar across the bottom, with the metro boxes instead of a wallpaper, or something along those lines. My desktop is usually completely empty anyway, but if i had to have something functional there, i think i'd prefer the clean lines of metro boxes instead of piles of icons with cut off names underneath.
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Right, so I installed the Windows 8 Consumer Preview. I'm not sure what to make of it. Except for some bugs with my custom icons (everything just defaults to that "blank paper" thing, but that's on top of the icon....), the Desktop mode appears almost identical to Windows 7. The only changes I've noticed:

  • Start button is gone - replaced with a back out to the Metro UI "Start Menu" in the very bottom left.
  • "Charms" appear if you mouse all the way over to the right. Haven't really found a use for them, though.
  • Lack of old start menu is frustrating - makes it difficult to get to programs that aren't on desktop. I've yet to see a workaround, but this is really new.
  • Have to start in Metro UI and then click through to Desktop (it's a box in the UI). EVERY TIME. Minor inconvenience, but still - I haven't figured out how to change this yet.
  • To log in, you need to click and drag your mouse from the bottom of the screen upwards, emulating a finger action. JUST TO LOG IN!
  • Task Manager is a bit improved, but that could have been an update to 7 if you ask me.

Frankly, unless you really want the Metro UI or have a need to try it out for yourself, I would stay with Windows 7. At least until MS gets their act together and allows you to avoid the Metro UI for ordinary desktops. It really only makes sense for a tablet PC. Absolutely a backslide in terms of desktop PC interfacing.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby Hirschof on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:23 pm

Interesting. Friend of mine has the same gripes with the 8 preview. He loved the windows explorer setup though.

Thanks for the update.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby ampersand on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:59 pm

You have a screen shot of your Windows 8 setup, CS22? Would be nice to see what it looks like after it's downloaded (and not what Microsoft wants you to see on their mock-up).
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It's currently having issues with the school's "provided" internet (although it had those before on occasion, so I don't know whether this has something to do with the upgrade or not). They did not occur last night, though. So, I'm posting this from my laptop.

Start Menu:

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Desktop:

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From there, it almost works just like Windows 7. Except for a lot of really annoying changes that overall, in my estimation, hamper its functionality with the standard keyboard and mouse.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby ampersand on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:45 pm

That desktop looks like it should come with Cortana as a bonus. Otherwise, it looks like bigger and crappier version of those stupid Windows Phones.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby collegestudent22 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:53 pm

ampersand wrote:That desktop looks like it should come with Cortana as a bonus.


That desktop wallpaper is custom - I had it on Windows 7 as well. And it is a replica of the monitor display in the 10th Doctor's TARDIS control room, thank you very much! Nothing to do with Halo at all.
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Another problem I have noticed with the new Microsoft design strategy. This is an example of the maximum level of detail in an installer:

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No percentages, no estimated time to completion, no download rate for obtaining the files, nothing but a vague bar showing how "done" it is. Weak.
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Re: Windows 8 - Just For Tablets?

Postby ampersand on Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:50 am

So, Microsoft Visual 11 is also out in Beta? Crap.
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