BtEO wrote:It was only relevant to your use of them as a source for why I should not believe the majority of the performers were volunteers.
But that was never a point of contention. Instead, it was whether they picked and chose which volunteers they wanted to be the face of Britain or whether they used anyone and everyone who turned up and made do.
No doubt they were picked carefully for specific talents, but still from the pool of volunteers.
Right. That's what casting calls are. And they were cast to fill roles already written and laid out.
It's not like, "Well, I guess these two black kids here are what we have to work with. What can we come up with to accommodate this random chance?"
Again, apparently I misread, but perhaps 'non-white', or 'multicultural' would have served better than 'black' if you didn't want me to think you were calling out a specific racial pride
I see where you got that, but black just happened to be the particular minority on prominent display in this case.
You don't know, but immediately speculated that it was desire to appear more multicultural than we are, possibly motivated by white guilt.
Perhaps the skepticism I intended to convey in the post in response to not only your assertion of what happened but the subtle racism involved in implying (unintentionally I'm sure) that it's mostly the minorities of London who are the layabouts with time to hang around the Olympics to get on TV. Technically you're correct--one can never know what lies in the hearts of others; even we ourselves don't always fully know our own hearts. But you can put 2 and 2 together, and I'm wired to do so, which is probably a key part of our differing on this matter. It's always easier to judge a group of people than the individuals therein.
I merely pulled it up as an example of casting done without any attention paid to race — that such a thing could exist and not be a political statement.
There's a massive difference between "no attention paid to race" and not being a political statement. I'm not sure there was anything particularly political
going on in the opening ceremonies, though some might make that argument. I can't imagine you'd think no one working on the "Thor" movie noticed Idris Elba was black. Casting takes into account all
of that, especially big-budget casting of this nature, where the audience reaction to one person or another is taken into account. There are entire theses written on this kind of thing.
That first interpretation is, pretty much, colour blind.
There's a difference between "I barely even noticed" and "See? See how little I notice? Eh?" The latter seems to be much more prevalent in the UK, at least in the media, but seems to be somewhat confirmed anecdotally from my time there and conversations with British people.
If the organisers of this event really did set out to explicitly highlight non-white ethnicities so as to make the country appear less white I'm with you in thinking that's wrong. But I simply didn't interpret what I saw that way.
I'm not sure it was quite as overt and self-aware as all that, at least not through all levels of the entire production, but yes, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if that was exactly the case even if not couched in those words in their own minds. Something more like, "We should highlight the wonderful diversity of London!"
Eric (the Deacon remix)
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922