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The religious right has never liked Ron Paul. If my parents' beliefs are any indication, these lies are rather pervasive. I really cannot understand it. But this article seems to make sense.

Although I am a theological and cultural Christian conservative, I am not a member of the Religious Right and never have been. Adherents of the Religious Right are oftentimes more wrong than they are right. And they have never been more wrong than in their lies about Ron Paul.

The lies about Ron Paul uttered by the media, the Republican Party, the political establishment, conservative talk show hosts, and rank and file Republicans and conservatives who blindly parrot their leaders, and even some libertarians are legion. However, when it comes to Christian armchair warriors, Christian Coalition moralists, evangelical warvangelicals, Catholic just war theorists, reich-wing Christian nationalists, theocon Values Voters, imperial Christians, Red-State Christian fascists, God and country Christian bumpkins, and other Religious Rightists that have no problem draping the cross of Christ with the American flag, there are basically five lies that are continually told about Congressman Paul, all recycled from the last time he ran for president.

Lie number one: Ron Paul is not pro-life. That is, he doesn’t support a federal law or constitutional amendment banning abortion since that is entirely up to the states.

The subject of abortion is one that Ron Paul is uniquely qualified to talk about. In addition to being a member of Congress, Ron Paul is a physician specializing in obstetrics and gynecology who has delivered over 4,000 babies. In forty years of medical practice, Dr. Paul says, "I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman." He believes "beyond a doubt that a fetus is a human life deserving of legal protection, and that the right to life is the foundation of any moral society." But unlike many Republicans in Congress, Representative Paul also believes in consistently and strictly following the Constitution in all matters. Therefore, as he simply states:

Under the 9th and 10th amendments, all authority over matters not specifically addressed in the Constitution remains with state legislatures. Therefore the federal government has no authority whatsoever to involve itself in the abortion issue. So while Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid.

Dr. Paul is also consistently pro-life. Many pro-life Religious Rightists are cheerleaders for the killing of innocents outside of the womb in senseless foreign wars. Ron Paul believes in the sanctity of all human life.

Lie number two: Ron Paul supports drug use. That is, he doesn’t support the unconstitutional federal war on drugs.

The $41 billion a year war on drugs is a failure in every respect. It has reduced neither the demand for nor the availability of drugs. It has failed to keep drugs away from kids and addicts. It has made criminals out otherwise law-abiding Americans – over 1.5 million Americans are arrested on drug charges every year, with almost half of those arrests being just for possession of marijuana. The war on drugs encourages violence, unnecessarily swells the prison population with non-violent offenders, destroys civil liberties, attacks personal and financial privacy, and corrupts and militarizes the police. But not only do the costs of the drug war greatly exceed its benefits, it is clearly an unconstitutional activity of the federal government. As a physician, Dr. Paul knows full well the harmful effects of illicit drug use. But he also recognizes the dangers to liberty, property, and limited government that the war on drugs poses. It is perplexing and hypocritical that Religious Rightists don’t likewise support a war on alcohol since every negative thing – and more – that could be said about drug abuse could also be said about alcohol abuse.

Lie number three: Ron Paul is not pro-Israel. That is, he doesn’t support looting the American taxpayers and giving the money to a foreign government.

Since World War II, the U.S. government has dispensed hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid in a variety of forms to over 150 countries. Foreign aid is further camouflaged as U.S. support for the UN, IMF, World Bank, and other globalist organizations. Foreign aid now costs the American taxpayer over $40 billion a year. Egypt received over $1.5 billion in foreign aid last year. Israel received over twice as much. Since their peace accord in 1979, Egypt and Israel have been the top two recipients of U.S. foreign aid, accounting for about one-third of all foreign aid spending. Foreign aid is really foreign government aid that enriches the leaders of corrupt regimes and their privileged contractors. Foreign aid further entrenches the U.S. government bureaucracy, increases the power of the state, fosters dependency on U.S. largesse, and lines the pockets of U.S. corporations whose products are bought with foreign aid money. Following the advice of Thomas Jefferson, who advocated "honest friendship with all nations" and "entangling alliances with none," Representative Paul sees neutrality as the best foreign policy for the United States: "The real, pro-US solution to the problems in the Middle East is for us to end all foreign aid, stop arming foreign countries, encourage peaceful diplomatic resolutions to conflicts, and disengage militarily."

Lie number four: Ron Paul is weak on defense. That is, he doesn’t support perpetual, senseless, and immoral foreign wars.

Most of U.S. military spending is not for defense, but for offense. Most of what the military does is outside of the country and in some cases thousands of miles away: providing disaster relief, dispensing humanitarian aid, supplying peacekeepers, enforcing UN resolutions, nation building, spreading goodwill, launching preemptive strikes, establishing democracy, changing regimes, assassinating people, training armies, advising armies, rebuilding infrastructure, reviving public services, opening markets, maintaining no-fly zones, occupying countries, and, of course, fighting foreign wars. The proper use of the military – as envisioned by Ron Paul – is in defending the United States, not defending other countries, and certainly not bombing, invading, or occupying them. Using the military for any other purpose than the actual defense of the United States – its land, its shores, its skies, its coasts, its borders – perverts the purpose of the military. The United States is not and cannot be the world’s policeman.

Lie number five: Ron Paul is an isolationist. That is, he doesn’t support a global empire with 1,000 foreign military bases and troops stationed in 150 countries.

The Department of Defense has more than 500,000 facilities on more than 5,500 sites totaling approximately 29 million acres. There are over 300,000 U.S. troops in foreign countries – plus over 100,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus tens of thousands of contractors. The word isolationist is a pejorative term of intimidation used to stifle debate over foreign policy. A noninterventionist foreign policy – like that espoused by Ron Paul – is a foreign policy is a policy of peace, diplomacy, and neutrality that includes trade, cultural exchanges, travel, immigration and emigration, and foreign investment. No invasions, threats, sanctions, embargoes, commitments, meddling, entangling alliances, or troops and bases on foreign soil.

So why the lies?

Why all the lies about a candidate who is and has always been really pro-life, pro-family, pro-religion, pro-family values, pro-religious liberty, pro-gun, pro-Constitution, pro-fiscal conservatism, pro-free market, pro-sound money, pro-defense, pro-liberty, pro-peace, pro-privacy, and pro-property. Why all the lies about a candidate who is and has always been really anti-UN, anti-tax increases, anti-taxes, anti-abortion, anti-gun control, anti-unconstitutional government spending, anti-birthright citizenship, anti-amnesty, anti-New World Order, anti-foreign aid, anti-government subsidies, anti-foreign wars, anti-welfare, anti-socialized medicine, anti congressional pay raises, anti-congressional pensions, anti-government-paid junkets, and anti-centralization of power in the federal government.

I say really because Ron Paul is and has always been for and against these things on a philosophical level. He doesn’t just say he is for or against these things to get elected. He doesn’t change his message depending on the crowd he’s addressing. He has a track record of consistency unmatched by anyone who has ever been in Congress or run for president. Why would any member of the Religious Right not embrace Ron Paul as their ideal candidate even as they run from the current crop of Republican presidential candidates?

So why the lies?

I think they are due in a great measure to ignorance: ignorance of the Constitution, ignorance of federalism, ignorance of U.S. foreign policy, ignorance of the U.S. government, ignorance of American history, ignorance of the Republican Party, ignorance of the Bible, ignorance of anything but what is heard on Fox News, ignorance of anything but what is uttered by conservative talk radio show hosts, ignorance of anything but the propaganda that comes out of many church pulpits. Unfortunately, however, much of this ignorance is willful and complacent.

But not all Religious Rightists are ignorant. Some are just deliberate apologists for the state, its leaders, its military, its wars, and its foreign policy. If they were honest, then they would have to say that they believe in the centralization of power in Washington DC, in a police state that inconsistently criminalizes peaceful behavior, in swearing allegiance to a foreign government and looting other taxpayers that don’t share their allegiance, in endless foreign wars and military interventions, and in maintaining an empire of troops and bases around the world and meddling in the affairs of other countries.

The last time Dr. Paul ran for president, I concluded that he would not be the candidate of choice of the Religious Right because they love centralization more than federalism, political power more than liberty, war more than peace, politicians more than principles, faith-based socialism more than the free market, and the state more than God Almighty. The Religious Right’s embrace of candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann and non-candidates like Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee leads me now to the same conclusion.


So, what are y'all's thoughts on Dr. Paul? Or the religious right? Or (preferably) both?
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I just want to make sure I understand the article. By using the term 'lies', does the author mean that the religious right is fully aware of Dr Paul's actual views on these topics and are deliberately and intentionally spreading false information about him? Or is the author using the term "lies" as a stronger version of "myth" or "misconception"? At the end they kinda say some are ignorant, some are deliberate but I'm still not sure.

Secondly, quite a few of the 'lies' end up not being "This is totally not true!" but "Here's a justification of his position!". The article would be more appropriately named "5 Positions of Ron Paul that are misunderstood and that conservative religious people should actually like".

I don't really have anything to say about Dr Paul or the religious right but the way this article is written all it'll end up doing is making people who already agree with the author nod their heads while the people it's meant to educate will only be insulted and put on the defensive by words like "reich-wing", "Red-State Christian fascists", "bumpkins", "warvengelicals", etc. etc.
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Muspar wrote:I just want to make sure I understand the article. By using the term 'lies', does the author mean that the religious right is fully aware of Dr Paul's actual views on these topics and are deliberately and intentionally spreading false information about him? Or is the author using the term "lies" as a stronger version of "myth" or "misconception"? At the end they kinda say some are ignorant, some are deliberate but I'm still not sure.


I'm not sure how the author specifically means this. I take it like this: People like my parents are (intentionally) ignorant of the facts. The media, on the other hand, totally distorts things, and is quite deliberate about it - including the people that may be considered the "religious right" at Fox News (excepting Stossel at FBN, of course).

Secondly, quite a few of the 'lies' end up not being "This is totally not true!" but "Here's a justification of his position!". The article would be more appropriately named "5 Positions of Ron Paul that are misunderstood and that conservative religious people should actually like".


No, they are claiming that he is against certain positions. The response is that he is actually FOR those positions, so their claim is wrong/a lie, BUT FEDERALISM!

Of course, given the truth of this image, I understand the concern:

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How dare a political candidate expect the government to follow such an antiquated document such as the Constitution!

I don't really have anything to say about Dr Paul or the religious right but the way this article is written all it'll end up doing is making people who already agree with the author nod their heads while the people it's meant to educate will only be insulted and put on the defensive by words like "reich-wing", "Red-State Christian fascists", "bumpkins", "warvengelicals", etc. etc.


While that's possible, I don't think logic will convince any of the religious right, either. Take my parents, for example. They are fairly conservative and religious (although I wouldn't necessarily call them the "religious right" - they are for gay marriage, after some convincing). However, if I bring up the words "Ron Paul" in a political conversation with them, I immediately get something along the lines of "he's crazy" and an absolute shutdown of two-way communication.
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Some food for thought:

Ron Paul was not just the first, he was the only politician to predict the debt bubble, housing crash, banking crisis, student loan crisis, and economic tsunami we are now experiencing.

He predicted the Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac would destroy the housing market. He predicted reckless government spending would drown the nation in debt. He predicted the high cost of college, driven by student loans, would enslave college graduates. He railed about “crony capitalism.” He predicted the Fed would keep printing until the value of the dollar was destroyed. He was right about everything.

You’d think the media would celebrate Ron Paul as a hero, hailing him for his courage. But instead he is despised for making the Ivy League elite look foolish, ignorant, and reckless. He embarrassed the smartest guys in the room, showing them to be the dumbest guys in the room. They will never forgive him for it.
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Clearly he is Psychic. Quick! Ask him if my Grandmother is happy!

In all seriousness, I would love a Ron Paul presidency. Failing that, I think Herman Cain is my follow up, but I have some serious research to do first.
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Arres wrote:In all seriousness, I would love a Ron Paul presidency.


Well, to get there, the people would need to hear his ideas. Given that the media hates Ron Paul so much, I doubt that's happening too much. I mean, take last night's GOP debate on CBS, for starters. It was supposed to be a foreign policy debate. Given that Congressman Paul is the only top-tier candidate that differs with the rest of the field on foreign policy on their support of torturing terrorists, assassinating American citizens, and bullying sovereign nations to "police the world", you would think he would get some time. (Huntsman also differs here, but he only gets a statistically insignificant amount of the GOP support in polls - i.e. less than the error bounds.) He got 90 seconds in that first hour. That's it. And Gingrich is the one complaining about the way the debates are run?

Failing that, I think Herman Cain is my follow up, but I have some serious research to do first.


The guy from the Fed? While I respect his business experience, and think he could fix some of the problems with the regulation system, I'm pretty wary of his "9-9-9" plan. Not to mention his following of the party line on foreign policy and the Federal Reserve system.
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The 9-9-9 plan is specifically a way to ease the transition from "what we have" to "what I want", specifically [url="http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer]FairTax[/url]. As far as foregin policy and the reserve, I'm not going to get my perfect candidate. So, I'll pick the things that are the most important, and the things I can live with, and find the candidate who almost fits.
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Arres wrote:The 9-9-9 plan is specifically a way to ease the transition from "what we have" to "what I want", specifically FairTax.


I understand that, I'm just wary of doing that without repealing the 16th Amendment. Mostly, I'm worried that a president after President Cain would want to raise taxes (especially if we get another Wilson or FDR). With the precedent set, we could end up with both a skyrocketing income tax and a fairly high sales tax.

As far as foregin policy and the reserve, I'm not going to get my perfect candidate. So, I'll pick the things that are the most important, and the things I can live with, and find the candidate who almost fits.


I suppose I can understand that, but I guess I disagree on the importance of those things. I firmly believe that getting the Fed under control (or even better, doing away with it entirely) is the only way to control the national finances. The longer we "quantitatively ease", the longer this economic stagnation will continue, and the higher inflation will rise during it.
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collegestudent22 wrote:
As far as foregin policy and the reserve, I'm not going to get my perfect candidate. So, I'll pick the things that are the most important, and the things I can live with, and find the candidate who almost fits.


I suppose I can understand that, but I guess I disagree on the importance of those things. I firmly believe that getting the Fed under control (or even better, doing away with it entirely) is the only way to control the national finances. The longer we "quantitatively ease", the longer this economic stagnation will continue, and the higher inflation will rise during it.


I think I actually need some clarification on this. Are you picking the candidate that "almost fits" for the general election (taking a look at which candidates you would be willing to support if they got the nomination), or for the primary? Because, I think in the primary, you should choose the candidate that fits the closest (which from your responses seems to be Paul, with Cain coming a "close second", as it were, although I could be wrong). Especially given that Paul may have a serious chance to win these early primaries, despite the media ignoring him, and CBS only giving him 90 seconds in an hour-long debate last Saturday (giving more time to Santorum, who is polling at a measly three percent or so).
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Given that every issue is weighted, I always pick the candidate I think most closely represents my goals. Primary, secondary, tertiary or whatever.
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Not my approach, but it makes sense to me, although I think a stand on general principles makes more sense. It just prevents that one candidate that makes sure to "say all the right things" doesn't get you on his stance on your major issues, and then totally changes his mind due to lack of principle when he gets into office. Like Obama did. Or Romney will, IMO.

Also, the MSM isn't biased at all. They just have a weird disorder that prevents them from saying "Ron Paul" in a positive light or recognizing him in candidate polling. They manage to talk about Cain - beating Paul by about four points - maintaining his lead. They mention Romney doing well, despite limited focus on Iowa. They even mention Bachmann and Gingrich failing to obtain significant gains. However, except for being in the poll results themselves, Ron Paul - a close second - is not even mentioned.

At this point, I am absolutely convinced that the country is no longer free. Not in a real sense. The people are treated more like a dog on a leash. Sure, you get some freedom - but if you go too far, you get yanked back in by the scruff of your neck. Painfully. And it isn't just legal violations of our human liberties, but cultural ones as well. Ignoring political parties invites ridicule and media ostracization. Being concerned about the Constitution being violated - in the face of legislators openly admitting they don't read bills and don't worry about the Constitution, saying we have to "pass the bill to find out what's in it" - is apparently moronic. And don't even think about being for peace, because (insert small country with big mouthed leader that is no real threat here) is going to get nuclear/chemical/biological weapons or fly planes into our buildings or something. (Side note: I recall a certain other country in perpetual war - Oceania)

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I never thought I would see it, but accurate, unbiased reporting does exist:

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That was actually pretty good.
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Wow...a political news story that is honest, fair and worthy of being shared...I don't think I've ever seen that before, lol. Thanks for that one.
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What channel / news show is that?
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