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Five Lies of the Religious Right about Ron Paul

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Frédéric Bastiat wrote:And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works.


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Frédéric Bastiat wrote:And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works.


Count Axel Oxenstierna wrote:Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?
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What's interesting to me is that what Ron Paul espouses isn't actually radical. It's really pretty basic stuff. And it's not until you have the contrast of Paul that the overwhelming sameness of the other Republican candidates becomes apparent, including how little difference there is between them and the Democrats. The only thing the Republicans and Democrats disagree on is how the government should control your life and which groups should receive welfare payments and other tax-based subsidies, not whether any of that should happen in the first place.

And it's not like any of what Paul says is new. We've known about the fundamentally wrong-headed thinking of the cannibalistic welfare state in a modern post-subsistence society for many years. But as someone once said, once the public realizes it can vote itself money from the treasury, it's the beginning of the end. No one wants to see any further than their their own fingers scrabbling and grasping at someone else's pockets, heedless of the unsustainability of each snake eating its neighbor's tail. Here's a quick reminder from back in 1949 when Truman was promising that the federal government would take over everyone's individual daily life responsibilities like food, shelter, life insurance, doctor's bills, etc, and the response from the New York Daily News back when there was a more tangible difference between Democrats and Republicans:

New York Daily News wrote:Mr. Truman's St. Paul, Minn., pie-for-everybody speech last night reminded us that, at the tail-end of the recent session of Congress, Representative Clarence J. Brown (R-Ohio) jammed into the Congressional Record the following poem, describing its author only as "a prominent Democrat of the State of Georgia":

Father, must I go to work?
No, my lucky son
We're living on Easy Street
On dough from Washington

We've left it up to Uncle Sam,
So don't get exercised
Nobody has to give a damn —
We've all been subsidized

But if Sam treats us all so well
And feeds us milk and honey
Please, daddy, tell me what the hell
He's going to use for money

Don't worry, bub, there's not a hitch
In this here noble plan —
He simply soaks the filthy rich
And helps the common man

But father, won't there come a time
When they run out of cash
And we have left them not a dime
When things will go to smash?

My faith in you is shrinking, son,
You nosy little brat;
You do too damn much thinking, son
To be a Democrat.
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Something I've been wondering in recent days about Doc Paul:

Let's suppose that the shoe were on the other foot for a second, and there was a big race in the Democratic party to run against an incumbent Republican. What if Ron Paul ran as a Democrat in that scenario? Same message, basically the same campaign, but his opponents are the likes of (in this scenario he'd still be Senator) Obama and (also would likely still be a Senator in this scenario) Clinton instead of Romney and Huntsman. I feel like Paul would pull similar numbers among Democrats to what he gets with Republicans. Then again, I'm clearly biased toward that point of view, so maybe I'm connecting my own dots.
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Are we assuming he ran in 2008 as a Democrat as well? Because I think his previous run helped solidify some of his Republican support and allowed it to grow.

Ideally, he would, but in practice I doubt it. The primary issue now is the economy, and that is where Paul would most differ from the mainstream Democrats (assuming Obama didn't get elected, so many wouldn't have realized all that anti-war stuff he ran on was BS). Although, if there were a "Red Democrat" movement in the vein of the existing "Blue Republican" one, he might.
Frédéric Bastiat wrote:And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works.


Count Axel Oxenstierna wrote:Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?
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You mean with the exact same platform? I don't see it: he's not as smooth and attractive as everyone says of Obama or Slick Willie.
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I'm surprised at all these so-called "Reagan conservatives" attacking Dr. Paul's foreign policy. Especially Newt "Chickenhawk" Gingrich.

Ronald Reagan wrote:The defense policy of the United States is based on a simple premise: The United States does not start fights. We will never be an aggressor.


Oh, God! It's that dangerous candidate. No one vote for him. He's clearly nuts, and could never win the Presidency. :lol:
Frédéric Bastiat wrote:And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works.


Count Axel Oxenstierna wrote:Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?
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Best debate performance for Dr. Paul yet, IMO. Especially loved the part where the audience demands John King ask the OB/GYN about abortion. I mean, how is that not an obvious question to ask? "Oh, there's a doctor on stage - let's not get his opinion on medical issues, especially ones in his baliwick. That might give him a chance to sway voters!"
Frédéric Bastiat wrote:And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works.


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