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GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:16 am

First things first: the Iowa Caucus results.

Mitt Romney 30,015 24.6%
Rick Santorum 30,007 24.5%
Ron Paul 26,219 21.4%
Newt Gingrich 16,251 13.3%
Rick Perry 12,604 10.3%
Michele Bachmann 6,073 5%
Jon Huntsman 745 0.6%

After the caucus, Bachmann has dropped out of the race entirely. Perry said he was going to reassess, and then (apparently) decided to stay in and try to do well in South Carolina.

However, there are some interesting facts out of the caucus. Estimates for delegates coming out of Iowa put Romney, Santorum, and Paul tied with 7 delegates each - the other 7 divided up among the next three. While this is the case, early indications are that Paul was more able to get his supporters to volunteer for the next level conventions, which could give him a bump in actual delegates to the Republican convention in the end (and all Iowa delegates are "unpledged" there, in any case). I also think his momentum from such a close third in what was essentially a state-wide straw poll can help him moving forward.

In addition, Santorum has had trouble with getting any steam going outside of Iowa, and his success in Iowa is mostly due to his direct efforts, which cannot work as well for later states. Plus, he has yet to be vetted by the media yet, and has a few rather "unconservative" things in his record.

Next: New Hampshire, January 10. Thoughts? Predictions? Hopes? Personally, I think Romney will get in the mid-30's, and Paul will do better than expected with a close second. I don't think Santorum's surge in Iowa will continue - especially with only Romney and Paul on the ballot in Virginia.
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby minsx on Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:21 am

collegestudent22 wrote:Next: New Hampshire, January 10. Thoughts? Predictions? Hopes? Personally, I think Romney will get in the mid-30's, and Paul will do better than expected with a close second. I don't think Santorum's surge in Iowa will continue - especially with only Romney and Paul on the ballot in Virginia.


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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:42 pm

New Hampshire results (10% required to get any of the proportionally-allocated delegates):

Mitt Romney 95,669 39.4%
Ron Paul 55,455 22.8%
Jon Huntsman 40,903 16.8%
Newt Gingrich 22,921 9.4%
Rick Santorum 22,708 9.3%
Rick Perry 1,709 0.7%

My opinion is that this is good news for Congressman Paul. While Romney and Huntsman overperformed their poll average by a couple points each, Paul gained a little more than FIVE points over his expected numbers from the poll. The conservative South Carolina has a drastically different picture than either Iowa or New Hampshire, though, with current polls showing Romney leading and Santorum and Gingrich fighting for second. It remains to be seen how the polls change over the next ten days before the primary there.

So the South Carolina primary is next on the 21st - ten days from today. Thoughts? Predictions? Hopes? I think I'm going to hold off until the weekend to make predictions - see where the polls start to go from the NH results. There is also a debate on Faux Fox News on January 16th, if anyone cares to watch yet another debate because they plan to vote and are still undecided.
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby Arres on Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:17 pm

I think it's Awesome Paul got a SOLID second place, despite the media DESPERATELY trying to ignore him again.

"He got 3rd? And ANYONE ELSE completely randomly shot up to second? Clearly his run is over and this new guy is the only one who could possibly challenge Romney, despite this guys obvious flaws like inability to campaign ANYWHERE but in this ONE STATE. This is our validation to not talk about Paul anymore k? He gives us the heeby jeebies. Oh you bastards voted him in SECOND this time?! And our new hero FIFTH?! Goddamnit!"
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:51 pm

In addition, not only did he do that well, he more than tripled his vote count in the state since 2008. So much for that "support ceiling"!
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:21 am

News about the VA primary, which will be on Super Tuesday: only Mitt Romney and Ron Paul got on the primary ballot. Rick Perry, along with the other candidates, filed a lawsuit about the requirements to get on the ballot. A judge threw their case out today.

Outside of Romney and Paul, many of the candidates have missed other ballot requirements as well.
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby Arres on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:47 am

I saw that. This'll be a good one.
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:26 pm

And now, for the primary in South Carolina tonight, there are only four candidates left: Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum.

Huntsman and Perry have dropped out over the last week or so. Further, Santorum has been declared the official winner in Iowa after the certification process (with 8 precincts votes just "missing"), which means Romney is NOT the first non-incumbent to win both Iowa and NH, and Santorum and Romney both have a "win" - although that means less than in prior years, as delegates are given out proportionally for the first few months now.

The broadcast results can be seen, obviously, on the major networks, but a Ron Paul SuperPAC is also broadcasting due to perceived media bias against their candidate. And, of course, I will again post the final results (along with estimated to-date delegate counts) in this thread either later tonight or tomorrow.
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:33 am

South Carolina Primary Results:

Newt Gingrich 243,153 40.4%
Mitt Romney 167,279 27.8%
Rick Santorum 102,055 17%
Ron Paul 77,993 13%

Estimated Delegate Counts (from primaries/caucuses):

Gingrich: 23 + 2 soft pledged
Romney: 9 + 7 soft pledged
Santorum: 7 soft pledged
Paul: 3 + 7 soft pledged

The soft pledged delegates are from Iowa, and are only estimated to be in those numbers, so those numbers could be way different in the end. Huntsman had two delegates from NH, and Perry had two soft pledged delegates from Iowa that are now up in the air. The GOP also has a limited number of "super delegates" that have mostly gone towards Romney, but I don't know the exact numbers that have indicated their decision yet (it's only like 15 or so, though).

Personally, I think that this just shows this race isn't even close to over yet. Paul received something like five times what he received last election cycle, despite his primary focus (and thus where he is saving his somewhat limited funds for) being caucus states coming up, like Maine and Nevada. Obviously, Romney took a hit, and Gingrich came off really well here.

My predictions for the coming primaries are thus: Florida will have quite similar results, which will result in Santorum dropping out if he has any sense. Romney and Gingrich will discount Paul (and Santorum if he remains in) due to these results, and attack each other as if it were a two-man race. This will allow Paul to do pretty well in the coming caucus states (especially if Santorum stays in and takes support from Gingrich), as well as in those states where Gingrich failed to get on the ballot and he only has to compete against Romney (such as VA) which amounts to around 500 delegates up for grabs (roughly 20%. I think it is still far too early to call this race, despite the media narrative that "South Carolina picks Presidents" - both due to the strange dynamic of the race, as well as the proportional allocation of delegates (only around 2% have been allocated so far, and everyone still in has a few).
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby Arres on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:17 pm

I'm still confused. GINGRICH. Seriously? GINGRICH. Guys. SERIOUSLY?!
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby Deacon on Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:07 am

Agreed.
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:18 am

It's the "Anybody But Obama" nonsense rearing it's (very) ugly head here. Gingrich has been a "strong debater" (according to the media, anyway - I think he just proves himself to be a boisterous buffoon every time they debate). Thus, "he's the best one to debate Obama and prove him to be a bad President", at least according to the narrative. Apparently, the majority of Republican voters vote however Fox News tells them to (and against however they think CNN/MSNBC are pushing them to). John King "attacks" Gingrich by asking an alleged family values candidate about his failings in that arena and - voila! - Gingrich gets a boost in the polls. Plus, "electability" means more than principle to (apparently) 95% of all Republican/R-leaning Independents over the age of 35 or so - doesn't matter if it's the reincarnation of Stalin running (warning: hyperbole), as long as he's a Republican and "can beat Obama".
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby Arres on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:21 am

That's just it, though. He CAN'T. Hell, I don't think Romney can! I don't have faith Ron Paul can, although I think he's got a shot. I WOULD like to see him debate the man though:

While (1)
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"Specific and targeted concern, with a plan to address it"
"Vague and emotional plea for votes"
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:26 am

You forgot "Announce crazy, half-baked idea with questionable constitutionality, if not total disregard for Rule of Law, because I'm an 'ideas guy'".

I just know I'm not going to end up voting for Romnotorubamarich in November. :lol:
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Re: GOP Primary Tracking

Postby collegestudent22 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:35 am

Interesting quotes from the GOP debate, all successive answers on the problem of health reform:

Dr. Paul: Get the government out of healthcare, and give citizens tax breaks for buying it directly instead of getting it through work, because that was a stupid tax code manipulation. (para - included some stuff about how it worked when he practiced as a doctor in the early 60's)

Gingrich: "Dr. Paul's right." (he said this many times tonight)

Romney: "What both of these gentlemen just said is correct."

Santorum: "All these answers from these guys sound great."

Translation: "Everyone, Congressman Paul is the guy you should listen to. But you're not really paying attention, so you are going to vote for me instead."
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