No, that won't do jack

Arres wrote:Oh, don't get me wrong Deacon, I'm not jumping to their defense. I think in a business sense they have acted badly. I was just pointing out that I don't think that small claims court will actually achieve the desired results.

Well, maybe..... Probably...

But if the goal is to get him off his ass and DO something about the situation and being sued won't achieve that, what will? Do you have a better idea?

Btw emailing him is not going to work, he does not answer. He doesn't even answer in his own public forum where this topic is at the very top, FFS...

I don't use facebook. It's not too much to ask from him to read own forum and answer in a thread he already was involved in...

I don't mean to say that sueing will get the desired result for everyone, but it would get the desired result for the individual (if the result is "money back"). It doesn't cost that much to file such a suit, but I have no standing as I am not one of the people getting ripped off.

I cancelled mine a few months ago, when the weekly comics stopped coming. Not upset or angry, I feel we're about even since I've been reading this comic for something like 10 years now.

If I recall correctly, this is through Paypal, correct? For anyone who wants to stop contributing, I would contact Paypal (there's a phone number on their site, I can't access it while I'm at work), and have them stop the payments right now. Explain what's going on. The fact that the Deans have not been providing promised services could get their Paypal account frozen either temporarily or permanently, which believe me, if I were depending on monthly payments like I'm sure Greg and Liz have, would make them sit up and take notice.

IF they haven't touched the funds in their Paypal account, there's a good chance you can get a refund, either partial or full. I would not be shocked if Paypal attempts to contact Greg or Liz, and IF they don't respond to the charges that they haven't been putting out their booklets (or they respond and admit they haven't put any booklets out), there's a chance Paypal will find in your favor. Because from their POV it looks like a scam.

I'm curious as to how many people signed up for this service. $15 a month from one person is $180/year, and that could add up to quite a bit of money if there were a lot of people contributing to this. It could also add up to quite a loss to the Deans if Paypal freezes their funds, freezes their account, and most of all, refunds everyone.

The only way anything is going to change around here is for all of the affected people to be proactive about stopping the cash flow. Contact your credit cards, contact Paypal, any way you gave them money, try to get it back. Fraud charges might be easier in some instances here than taking someone to small claims court. And yes, to a point, this IS fraud. He kept taking your money when he knew he couldn't fulfill promises, and he should have stopped the minute he got so far behind he knew he couldn't keep up.

Darcerin - can I still call Paypal about this if I stopped payment already? Kinda a n00b at paypal disputes. >>;

Probably not, I think you have 45 days from payment to open a dispute.

Cant he just post a months worth of fan submitted comics and spend the time sorting these out

Very good point, regarding the appearance of fraud. I only paid for Book2, a one time expense. I've basically given up at this point (though still holding out a slight amount of hope.)
Someone who was doing the monthly payment thing, and not getting anything for several months, would seem to have a good circumstantial case for a scam.
Especially if there are quite a few people. Even more so if there would be a bit of rollover? people drop out after a few months of not getting anything, but new people sign up, not realizing Greg's not keeping up?

darcerin wrote:If I recall correctly, this is through Paypal, correct? For anyone who wants to stop contributing, I would contact Paypal (there's a phone number on their site, I can't access it while I'm at work), and have them stop the payments right now. Explain what's going on. The fact that the Deans have not been providing promised services could get their Paypal account frozen either temporarily or permanently, which believe me, if I were depending on monthly payments like I'm sure Greg and Liz have, would make them sit up and take notice.

IF they haven't touched the funds in their Paypal account, there's a good chance you can get a refund, either partial or full. I would not be shocked if Paypal attempts to contact Greg or Liz, and IF they don't respond to the charges that they haven't been putting out their booklets (or they respond and admit they haven't put any booklets out), there's a chance Paypal will find in your favor. Because from their POV it looks like a scam.

I'm curious as to how many people signed up for this service. $15 a month from one person is $180/year, and that could add up to quite a bit of money if there were a lot of people contributing to this. It could also add up to quite a loss to the Deans if Paypal freezes their funds, freezes their account, and most of all, refunds everyone.

The only way anything is going to change around here is for all of the affected people to be proactive about stopping the cash flow. Contact your credit cards, contact Paypal, any way you gave them money, try to get it back. Fraud charges might be easier in some instances here than taking someone to small claims court. And yes, to a point, this IS fraud. He kept taking your money when he knew he couldn't fulfill promises, and he should have stopped the minute he got so far behind he knew he couldn't keep up.

LOL, in the "latest" issue of the RLSG-mail (for March 10) Greg is complaining about how the employer of Liz is breaching his contract with her.

Guess who else is breaching their contract...

Cattaur wrote:Very good point, regarding the appearance of fraud. I only paid for Book2, a one time expense. I've basically given up at this point (though still holding out a slight amount of hope.)
Someone who was doing the monthly payment thing, and not getting anything for several months, would seem to have a good circumstantial case for a scam.
Especially if there are quite a few people. Even more so if there would be a bit of rollover? people drop out after a few months of not getting anything, but new people sign up, not realizing Greg's not keeping up?

darcerin wrote:If I recall correctly, this is through Paypal, correct? For anyone who wants to stop contributing, I would contact Paypal (there's a phone number on their site, I can't access it while I'm at work), and have them stop the payments right now. Explain what's going on. The fact that the Deans have not been providing promised services could get their Paypal account frozen either temporarily or permanently, which believe me, if I were depending on monthly payments like I'm sure Greg and Liz have, would make them sit up and take notice.

IF they haven't touched the funds in their Paypal account, there's a good chance you can get a refund, either partial or full. I would not be shocked if Paypal attempts to contact Greg or Liz, and IF they don't respond to the charges that they haven't been putting out their booklets (or they respond and admit they haven't put any booklets out), there's a chance Paypal will find in your favor. Because from their POV it looks like a scam.

I'm curious as to how many people signed up for this service. $15 a month from one person is $180/year, and that could add up to quite a bit of money if there were a lot of people contributing to this. It could also add up to quite a loss to the Deans if Paypal freezes their funds, freezes their account, and most of all, refunds everyone.

The only way anything is going to change around here is for all of the affected people to be proactive about stopping the cash flow. Contact your credit cards, contact Paypal, any way you gave them money, try to get it back. Fraud charges might be easier in some instances here than taking someone to small claims court. And yes, to a point, this IS fraud. He kept taking your money when he knew he couldn't fulfill promises, and he should have stopped the minute he got so far behind he knew he couldn't keep up.

I agree that the RLSG stuff is a bit ridiculous. There's nothing particularly new about this, as I recall, late delivery was pretty common with almost all of the RLSG variants since the idea started. I don't think I've often demanded much of Greg, especially as he's offering (for the most part) a free service that, in the past, I enjoyed a great deal, but I've always thought that he needed to put the RLSG higher up on his priority list. It's fine if it's just a 'donate to help out' sort of thing, but if he's promising contributors extra content on a regular basis, then he really needs to live up to that promise.

Well, the regular mails have now pretty much stopped too. I have now finally cancelled my subscription altogether.

It's a fucking disgrace, Greg! You are are stealing money from your fans! You should be ashamed to look in the mirror!!


I'm outta here...

Is there anyone still actually paying him?

das_flo wrote:Well, the regular mails have now pretty much stopped too. I have now finally cancelled my subscription altogether.

It's a fucking disgrace, Greg! You are are stealing money from your fans! You should be ashamed to look in the mirror!!


I'm outta here...

While no part of that is necessarily unreasonable, I think it we can now officially declare Greg gone and unlikely to be back on the forum. Unless he proves me wrong.