Macs vs. PCs

Infin8Cyn · Post by **Infin8Cyn** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:17 pm

I think this was posted before, but here's why G5s suck:
Proof
[Naturally, someone will complain about this site. As [though he's an avid Mac programmer/User] anyone who likes anything, will attack those who don't like it. With or without good reason. I figure that he uses logical concise methods to prove his point, not just saying so w/o anything to back up his claims]

White papers are white papers, anyone can say anything about THEIR machine. How it actually performs in the real world, with real benchmarks, and real stress tests are another thing.

I mean, the Ford Pinto was good on paper....

Post by **Martin Blank** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 7:19 pm

I think I referenced this site before, back on the first page.

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:26 pm

man, people can't even wait to test it themselves to try to disprove apple. i'm not saying apple's benchmarks are great (i think they should've used a compiler optimized for the g5 and pit it against a p4/xeon with intel's compiler). especially, comparing audio on each one using different apps on the mac and pc (why didn't they just use pro tools 6, it's on both). but, the one thing he's got is that malloc library. if joswiak states they used the best of the benchmarks for the pc, why wouldn't they use it for the mac?
just go find a g5 to benchmark (hell, i'm sure the apple store or crapusa wouldn't mind), use IBM's compiler which is optimized for the POWER4 (of which, the PPC970 is a derivitive of), and compare what you find to specs of pc systems.

7on · Post by **7on** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 9:10 pm

I have never seen one company not give exagerated reports of their products. I know someone who has tested a G5 1.6Ghz and a P4 2.24Ghz with Bryce and they were almost identical (the P4 pulled ahead of a render one second faster). Considering it's a 1.6 and a 2.24, neither of which are the fastest I'd say Apple's tests were conducted better than most other companies perform tests. Apple did not use "cheats" as that article specifed. Everything that was tested would be the same as if you bought the product in stores. Hyperthreading on the Dell machine was turned off because (that I hear) because it gave the system significatly lower times. I believed it created a bottleneck of some sorts in the overall system. Most people do complain when someone outrightenly states that their product is the fastest on the market. It's more of a marketing scheme. Remember the old G3 commercials? http://www.cupertino.de/pages/filme/mov_17/toast.html Yeah, it's all marketing.

Infin8Cyn:
I believe you said you hated Macs because of networking, correct? You had a bunch of OSXs linked up and they kept crashing? Well, it appears to be a Windows error. At least this is true on my campus's network. I can access all the Windows computers (w/o firewalls) easily. However, my computer cannot show up in XP's View Workgroup thing unless I enable a whole bunch of crap that doesn't even allow them access. Windows thinks OSX is an invading Unix machine is my only assumption. It doesn't bother me however, because I can get to Mac and PC shared folders... even some Linux ones. I have experienced OSX "freeze" up when a connecting computer is not online or disconnects, but you don't have to restart. The dock is still quite accessible. I think you were the one who experienced this, someone here did.

The only advantage Windows has is Games. That is all I can think of.

EDIT: Here's another OLD commercial I found. Now who says Macs aren't upgradable?
http://www.cupertino.de/pages/filme/mov_13/grow.html

Post by **Martin Blank** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:05 pm

[quote="jaxbrokenheart";p="147325"]i think they should've used a compiler optimized for the g5 and pit it against a p4/xeon with intel's compiler[/quote]
IBM just released the G5-optimized compiler. It was not available in production form at the time of testing.

Infin8Cyn · Post by **Infin8Cyn** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:43 pm

Schiffi,

I believe you said you hated Macs because of networking, correct?

I hate macs for a number of reasons, so let it be said that I never claimed I wasn't biased, BUT, that was mainly in OS9.x, though OSx does have its networking quams. As I've got a dual-booted OSx Machine at my knees (I use it for a Linux Box) I can honestly say that having used one in my home, I only dislike it more. It takes forever to load. I can load, and shutdown then reboot and load windows 2000 before OSx is fully up. It's just slow, I don't like the interface at all, etc. I could go on and on, on a bitchfest. But I'll save you all from it.

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:12 am

[quote="Infin8Cyn";p="147448"]Schiffi,

I believe you said you hated Macs because of networking, correct?

It takes forever to load. I can load, and shutdown then reboot and load windows 2000 before OSx is fully up.[/quote]
that would be because it's not made to be restarted and turned off regularly. it's better just to put it to sleep and wake it up.

Infin8Cyn · Post by **Infin8Cyn** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:32 am

That's alright, I pay for electricity. If it can't start up in less than 2 hours, that's the MAC OS's fault.

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:50 pm

wow, waiting for it to turn off and on might save you a whole $.50 on your electric bill! do you unplug your TV's every time you're done watching it? it could suck up way too much power just being off.

Infin8Cyn · Post by **Infin8Cyn** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:35 am

That's one coke I couldn't have before. In short, just because you can band-aid the problem, does not mean it's solved.
Sidenote: With you being like what 14? 15? I don't think you know that much about power bills

billf · Post by **billf** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:09 am

THe OSX machines I use at work start faster than the Win2000 machines (all of them are less than a year old). OSX does take a little longer to start than my home PC, but not really that much longer.

zaitcev · Post by **zaitcev** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:46 am

About a month ago I talked to Linus (Torvalds, naturally) when I went to lunch with Transmeta dudes, and he mentioned that he seriously considered a G5 box for a home system. It really is fast, both in absolute terms, and for the money paid. However, I don't know if he went for that. Haven't seen him in a while... Anyway, I consider it a pretty solid evidence for G5 delivering more than just Apple hype.

-- Pete

Calus · Post by **Calus** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:11 am

I think that earns the Daikatana award for Hype.

Quan-Time · Post by **Quan-Time** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:57 am

i didnt read all of these. but from waht i can tell, macs are a work machine, pcs are a leasure machine..

but in the lan of spankers, (australia), 90% of home computers are PC.. thats life thou. so its waht im used to.. i hate em thou..

Calus · Post by **Calus** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:23 pm

Like I said before look at most companies in Europe, you'll find Macs are hated more then Microsoft.

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