Macs vs. PCs

Killer-Rabbit · Post by **Killer-Rabbit** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:03 pm

I think PCs can be used just as much for work as a Mac, however PCs have the games advantage.

Anyway, I was at one of the universities Mac labs the other day (it was for a class, normally I use my laptop and a wireless card) which had the iMacs that are the half sphere with the attached LCD. When I went to log on, it litterally took five minutes until I could actually use it as opposed to the PCs which only take about 10-15 seconds (both use the latest OS; OSX and XP). This could be third party software or could be the OS. Dont really know, but I never really liked Macs anyway.

andyvn · Post by **andyvn** » Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:50 pm

First of all, I'd like to say this is one of the most intelligent and non-insulting Mac vs. Windows debates I've ever seen

Yay Real Life!

And as well, I'm really, truly alarmed at the number of people using Windows -and- Macs... you people rule!

And as well, there's a significant number of Linux users on here. You people rule more!

I'd have some sort of pro-Mac argument here, but I'm tired.

However, does anyone know how that weird rumor that you have to send your Mac off to Apple to be fixed got started? I've met an astonishing number of people who believe that. One guy wouldn't even believe that I could replace my hard drive myself, even after I showed him the PowerMac G4 with the side that comes off. Nut.

Anyway, someone commented on how defensive we Mac users are. I'd have to say, yeah, we are, and it's because a lot of Windows users (not all. Do not misinterpret that. Most certainly NOT all.) decide to bash us and our computers with no good reason... I'd have to say that most of the stuff thrown at me in recent days has been this sort of nonsense like that non-fixable rumor, and things like the "You can't use two-button mice on Macs.", "Microsoft Office doesn't run on Macs.", hell, I've even heard "You can't use the internet on Macs.". Course, that last one was from a guy who was convinced changing the file extension on an MP3 to '.mid' would make it a MIDI file, so he doesn't count.

If we overlook the hardware and jump to the OS, here's a nice site: http://www.XvsXP.com/

I find that it's very nice in that it not only states what is wrong with each OS, but why, and it also states what is right with each OS, whereas many sites tend to be one-sided and focus only on the negatives of the other OS.

And finally, my pet peeve: Mac is NOT all capitals! Gahhhh...

7on · Post by **7on** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:31 am

I thought this'd be nifty

http://www2.truman.edu/~jps137/web/osxXP.jpg

Quan-Time · Post by **Quan-Time** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:49 am

i still think macs have it for pure style.. they just look sexy.. the G4 is class, and G5 case that i seen looks like a custom mod job you see @ lan's..

i think the G4 has "it".. good style, great to work on, clean.. but, i dont use macs. so i dont know what they are like to work on.

BUT i have been told by a few engineers that mac CAD software sucks, so they use PC for that specific reason.. more powerful.. and to be a mac programmer, dont you have to have a licence/licenced software ? where as on a PC anyone can program ? can you please clear that up for me andy ? you seem to know

andyvn · Post by **andyvn** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:01 am

[quote="Quan-Time";p="150058"]i still think macs have it for pure style.. they just look sexy.. the G4 is class, and G5 case that i seen looks like a custom mod job you see @ lan's..[/quote]

Yep, definitely.

[quote="Quan-Time";p="150058"]BUT i have been told by a few engineers that mac CAD software sucks, so they use PC for that specific reason.. more powerful..[/quote]

Yep, I'd say if there's one thing you can't get the absolute best of on a Mac (not counting games, of course), it'd be CAD software. Not sure why, but really, REALLY powerful CAD software doesn't seem to exist for Mac.

[quote="Quan-Time";p="150058"]and to be a mac programmer, dont you have to have a licence/licenced software ? where as on a PC anyone can program ? can you please clear that up for me andy ? you seem to know[/quote]

Sure thing. Nope, that's another rumor. Anyone can program on Macs, in fact, Apple created a set of developer tools that they bundle with every copy of OS X. I can vouch for them, saying that they're -extremely- nice.

And I must say, Cocoa (the standard API used for programming in Mac OS X) has got to be the -easiest- API I've ever worked with. To give you an example of how powerful this thing is, one can produce a working text editor with the ability to print (but not save) and spellcheck (I think, not sure about that one) with 0 lines of code. Menubar and everything. Totally compliant to the standard interface. Yes, -no- code at all. That is pretty darn cool.

[please excuse my completely shameless self-advertisement

:] Here's a piece of software I wrote: http://andyvn.ath.cx/QotD.html

Oh, but don't judge anything off of my software. It kinda sucks. I'm new to Objective-C.

Calus · Post by **Calus** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:16 am

However, does anyone know how that weird rumor that you have to send your Mac off to Apple to be fixed got started.

That was started due to this little quote I found.

As it clearly says on labels on the machines themselves, doing "x" will "void your warranty."

Saphid · Post by **Saphid** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:28 am

what do you use to code in 10.2

Felan · Post by **Felan** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:36 am

I have to admit, project builder is very nice. It has pretty much everything you need to build anything, c/c++, java, cocoa. Ive used only a couple of other compilers (Code warrior, visual C++, .net) and it works nice with a clean interface (while code warrior is nice, it has a horrible interface IMO. I really do like .nets autocomplete)

"As it clearly says on labels on the machines themselves, doing "x" will "void your warranty." - this is pretty much on all retail models ive seen, on all systems. Companys would rather have you send it to them so you buy the upgrades and labor from them rather you do it yourself (and possibly mess up something)

andyvn · Post by **andyvn** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:36 pm

[quote="ZenGyro";p="150107"]Ive used only a couple of other compilers (Code warrior, visual C++, .net) and it works nice with a clean interface (while code warrior is nice, it has a horrible interface IMO.[/quote]

Agreed. CodeWarrior is what I used before I switched over to ProjectBuilder. I -hated- the interface. Right away I could do a lot more with PB simply because I could figure out how to do what I wanted, file-wise.

Kuronekosama · Post by **Kuronekosama** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:58 pm

well if you pc people out there want to get a feel for the mac os, albeit an older version, but layout still similar, click here:

http://www.yaromat.com/macos8

andyvn · Post by **andyvn** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:32 pm

[quote="Kuronekosama";p="150616"]well if you pc people out there want to get a feel for the mac os, albeit an older version, but layout still similar, click here:

http://www.yaromat.com/macos8[/quote]

That's -way- old... I'd reccomend http://www.apple.com/macosx/ for that. Not that that site isn't cool.

That's fun to load on school Windows computers, and then leave on for the next poor soul to find.

Infin8Cyn · Post by **Infin8Cyn** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:59 pm

I hate to use a PA comic, but it's fitting.

My name is James, and I hate Macs.

UrzaPlanezwalker · Post by **UrzaPlanezwalker** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:10 am

/me points to avatar

'nuff said

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:14 am

[quote="Infin8Cyn";p="152919"]
[img]picture[/img]

My name is James, and I hate Macs.[/quote]
wtf? my ibook is just barely over the minimum requirements for X and it takes 40 min to install.

UrzaPlanezwalker · Post by **UrzaPlanezwalker** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:30 am

*ahem*

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