Macs vs. PCs

furre · Post by **furre** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:39 am

Is gimp the industry standard? (The obvious answer to that question would be a "no")

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 12:31 pm

no, if you want the industry standard, you're right back to where you started...photoshop

furre · Post by **furre** » Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:31 pm

People who don't use Photoshop are heathens and should be burnt at the stakes. Sort of.

Besides, I thought the only people who used Gimp were Linux-users (since Photoshop isn't available for Linux).

kheiligh · Post by **kheiligh** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:59 pm

well, i develop and work on PCs, using .NET... and it does everything i want... it takes a little time to figure out how to get your system to work correctly, but it does a lot more when you need it to than a mac.

granted, i haven't had a lot to do on a mac in about 8 years, but still...

and the best is of course BeOS... but they're not in a great state at the moment, sadly.

pyrex · Post by **pyrex** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:51 pm

PCs = development and general seriousness, but games as well
Macs = pretty stuff, inspirational, kind dreamy-world stuff

I use PCs by default, but never turn down a Mac. The first computer I used was a Mac, and somehow I managed to screw up its system files. I think. But it WAS fun. It was great at what it could do, and I've never had an application-crash experience with a Mac. Macs are like.. good friends. They're fun, they give you inspiration through their personality, and it's like you love being around them. They can be tricky at times, but they always make up for it in the end.

HOORAY BEER!

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:21 pm

<SNIP>

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:48 pm

[quote="pyrex";p="6383"]PCs = development and general seriousness, but games as well
Macs = pretty stuff, inspirational, kind dreamy-world stuff

I use PCs by default, but never turn down a Mac. The first computer I used was a Mac, and somehow I managed to screw up its system files. I think. But it WAS fun. It was great at what it could do, and I've never had an application-crash experience with a Mac. Macs are like.. good friends. They're fun, they give you inspiration through their personality, and it's like you love being around them. They can be tricky at times, but they always make up for it in the end.

HOORAY BEER![/quote]

i have to disagree with you there, what kind of person would get a computer for it's looks (i'm not saying no one does, but how often do people do it?)? also, i think macs are great for development (with the UNIX base) and "serious" stuff because if you're working on somehing, you don't see the computer crash and lose every bit of unsaved data u had.

LycoLoco · Post by **LycoLoco** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:03 am

3) Pro - Macs tend to be better for word processing.

I dunno, I just don't think it's that hard to screw up word processing. It's the easiest thing that a computer can do, and it's really not a pro of either system. Also, it depends on whose you're using to do WP, and I just don't think that any of the M$ products are great in this respect. For anyone who's looking for a <i>great</i> word processor, check out Lotus Word Pro. It's reliable, and is better all around.
I don't see the purpose to use Macs unless you're trying to do graphics. Also, one thing that hasn't been said that much thus far, is that you can also run a system on Linux, a far superior product to any version of Windows, <i>and</i> it's free. Keep that in mind when debating between the two...

Xyphic · Post by **Xyphic** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:45 pm

In terms of word processing, MS Word 2002 is pretty good. I haven't managed to find anything much wrong with it yet and I've used it quite a bit. It's a huge improvement over previous versions of Word. One of the things I've noticed is that it hasn't crashed when I've used it.

As for the GIMP, yes, it was written for Linux (but in such a way that it was easily portable) and it works just fine under Windows. It's a pretty powerful tool and has much of the functionality of Photoshop. One of it's problems is that it doesn't look very nice - the interface is quite clunky and it annoys the hell out of me that it opens up new windows for every toolbar. If it sat in a pseudo-desktop like Photoshop it would be much easier to work with. All that said, I'd still prefer to use Photoshop just for ease of use (even though GIMP is free).

Haven't used Macs so I can't comment on that...

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:10 pm

well, are you expecting a free app to be as good as the $600 photoshop?
anyway, ms word for osx is pretty good (i just haven't found a text editor i actually like very much so i still use word). microsoft has said that "Office v.X for Mac OS X is better than the Windows versions of Office." There's also BBEdit, which is more for HTML but i guess it's usable. openoffice is great but the interface isn't very great, especially running under X11.

aubrey · Post by **aubrey** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:02 am

[quote="TrueBlue";p="1603"][quote="crs";p="1366"]In almost all of the tests the pc was faster and it was comparing graphics apps, video encoding etc (apples to apples as so to speak). They used the mac and pc version of the same software.[/quote]

As both Intel and AMD will tell you, the raw numbers don't mean everything.[/quote]

actually, they mean practically nothing.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:42 am

> As for the GIMP, yes, it was written for Linux (but in such a way that it was easily portable) and it works just fine under Windows. It's a pretty powerful tool and has much of the functionality of Photoshop. One of it's problems is that it doesn't look very nice - the interface is quite clunky and it annoys the hell out of me that it opens up new windows for every toolbar. If it sat in a pseudo-desktop like Photoshop it would be much easier to work with. All that said, I'd still prefer to use Photoshop just for ease of use (even though GIMP is free).

I cant stand the imbed this all in a master window attitude of photoshop, i like my aps to be able to work together, and use more than one thing at a time, though the mswindows window manager doesnt lend itself to this.

> well, are you expecting a free app to be as good as the $600 photoshop?
YES. have you looked at many open source programs? GNUmeric? Psi? XChat? Evolution? Not to mention server stuff like Apache. And of course the question must be asked have you tried GIMP?

Xyphic · Post by **Xyphic** » Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:26 am

I cant stand the imbed this all in a master window attitude of photoshop, i like my aps to be able to work together, and use more than one thing at a time, though the mswindows window manager doesnt lend itself to this.

Indeed. I found it very difficult to work out which of my windows was which (seeing as all the icons on the taskbar were the same). It might have been okay if there was enough of the name showing to actually work out what the window is.

> well, are you expecting a free app to be as good as the $600 photoshop?
YES. have you looked at many open source programs? GNUmeric? Psi? XChat? Evolution? Not to mention server stuff like Apache. And of course the question must be asked have you tried GIMP?

In general, open source applications are on a par with commercial solutions. In some cases they are better (emacs as compared with just about anything), in some cases they are worse. Given time they might get there (e.g. OpenOffice has a *long* way to go to be anywhere like as good as MS Office, and on the other hand, Mozilla is challenging IE already).

The good thing about open source is that generally if you want to do something, there's a good chance someone has already done it and open sourced it.

Sipheren · Post by **Sipheren** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:10 pm

I use my PC to do 3d Modeling and to use Photoshop, its never let me down, and since I have installed XP Pro I have had hardly any crashes......the only time I used a MAC was at school and it was one of those colourful ones, it was really slow and the only thing I got to work was IE5.5......

so as far as I am concerned the PC does everything for me.

Sipheren

jaxbrokenheart · Post by **jaxbrokenheart** » Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:20 pm

ya, i didn't like the crt iMacs much when i was in school either.

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