Micheal Moore

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:25 pm

Your psychic mind-reading-over-the-internet powers surely are amazing, Deacon. Can you teach me how to tell what someone's thinking even when they seem to not kn - ... oh, wait, you're just an asshole.

T8y8 · Post by **T8y8** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:32 pm

[quote="BtEO";p="367421"]Assuming I'm right in thinking they're the left to his right (or is it: right to his left, I can never remember

) that's about what I think.
You've got Moore on one side, O'Reilly et al on the other. The truth lies somewhere in between and it's up to you to make up your own damn mind rather than steal someone else's opinions.[/quote]

And with BtEO's words of wisdom, hopefully you'll all shut up.

I found the 9/11 documentary quite amusing though....

Some area's the bush bashing was great. However, it's not fair to pick on him because the Bin Ladens had business relations with them. They have business relations with the world, they deal in oil. Bush's are an oil family. I'd find it odd if they DIDN'T have some sort of relation.

"Do you have any terrorist targets?"

"Not that I know of.... Wait, we do have a Walmart"

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:37 pm

And with BtEO's words of wisdom, hopefully you'll all shut up.

You realize by and large that we're not talking about Michael Moore and the (lack of) truth in his works, right?

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:33 pm

BtEO, comparing Moore to O'Reilly is like comparing Shamu to a trout.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:00 pm

Yeah, its more like comparing Moore to Limbaugh.

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:04 pm

I just read the whole arminius/azurian/haggy debate in PACE.

I think Michael Moore should come spoof quebec separatists.

*laughs* Now that'd be just perfect. A ridiculous, unscrupulous hypocrite spoofing a whole bunch of ridiculous, unscrupulous hypocrites.

Yes, I, too, dislike Moore, for (quelle surprise) much the same reasons that Fuggle does. There are some very disturbing facts in this situation, some suspicious behaviors on the part of the administration, and some blatant stupidities/tyrranies. Moore even touched on a few of them in his film. However, he also missed as many as he pointed out, and behaved so inconsistently and underhandedly that rather than giving credibility to some of his very valid questions/assertions (some were valid, some were not), he severely damaged the ability of others to ask the same questions in a serious forum.

Basically, he makes the intelligent and rational of those of us on the left look bad, so he should be shot. Or dismembered. Or something. *mutters*

However, I should note that regardless of your opinions about Moore or his methods, it's irrational to dismiss everything in his film simply because he's an unreliable source. I mean, some of the 'anti-Moore' articles and sites I've seen have behaved at least as reprehensibly as Moore himself. Blind support of the 'right' is just as irrational as blind support by some in the 'left' of idiots like Moore. I mean, hell, has anyone here read some of the complete and utter nonsensical bullshit that Rush Limbaugh likes to spew? I'll admit that Moore's a complete ass, now it's your turn to admit that there are people who are just as bad on the Right, but who just tend to receive a little less attention. *shrugs*

-- Chris

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:38 pm

WHY

ISNT

THIS

IN

PACE

YET?

BtEO · Post by **BtEO** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:47 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="367462"]BtEO, comparing Moore to O'Reilly is like comparing Shamu to a trout.[/quote]

My point stands even if O'Reilly was the wrong person to use for a comparison.

Tomahawk · Post by **Tomahawk** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:14 pm

[quote="TopCat";p="367480"]WHY

ISNT

THIS

IN

PACE

YET?[/quote]

Or in the Forum with the really long name, for movie discussions etc....

You are discussing Moore's movies to a certain extent, eh?

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:22 pm

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="367309"]And Pyro, the attack had to be in Isreael. The President of the United States would NEVER call on everyone to stop the "terrorist killers" of Israel from attacking Palestinians.[/quote]

The attack wasn't about Israel neither. Bush was refering to "every countries/nations". Like you said, it couldn't be Israel. And Palestinians suicidals are only local. Bush spoke of Al Qaeda.

[quote="Angie";p="367391"]I just read the whole arminius/azurian/haggy debate in PACE.

I think Michael Moore should come spoof quebec separatists.[/quote]

Nah, it wouldn't be enough lucrative for Moore

[quote="Azurain";p="367468"]*laughs* Now that'd be just perfect. A ridiculous, unscrupulous hypocrite spoofing a whole bunch of ridiculous, unscrupulous hypocrites.

[/quote]

Hmm Azurain, if you want to pursue our little discussion on that subject, we can do it in the PACE section. And we should really stop to call each other "hypocrite".

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:19 am

[quote="BtEO";p="367421"]Assuming I'm right in thinking they're the left to his right (or is it: right to his left, I can never remember

) that's about what I think.
You've got Moore on one side, O'Reilly et al on the other. The truth lies somewhere in between and it's up to you to make up your own damn mind rather than steal someone else's opinions.[/quote]

The problem that I have is with all the lame brains who accept Moore's conclusions without a second thought, anyone that stupid should have thier mental prowess called into question. And just to cover bases, the same goes for the people who unquestionally believe in O'Reilly and that stupid psycho, Coulter

Posted Sat Jul 10, 2004 18:20 pm:

[quote="TopCat";p="367480"]WHY
ISNT
THIS
IN
PACE
YET?[/quote]
Because it covers issues outside politics.. and cause I like it when this thread is here..

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:33 am

What's this about "unquestionally believe in O'Reilly"? Maybe I'm just not up on the goings on, but last time I checked, he just had a show on a cable news channel where he interviews people...

BtEO · Post by **BtEO** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:45 am

Like I said deacon.. the point was there even if I used the wrong people as an example.. mike got what I meant.

Post by **Martin Blank** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 3:57 am

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="367297"]It's not that I object to him telling the press monkeys to "watch this drive" in general - I object to it being done at that place and time, in those circumstances, irregardless of who did it.[/quote]
Why would you object to him saying it nearly a year after the 9/11 attacks and when asked about something completely unrelated?

On August 4, 2002, Mike Allen of the Washington Post wrote:Just over four hours before, as Bush slept at his parents' seaside retreat, a Palestinian suicide bomber blew up a bus in Israel, killing nine passengers.

Bush, wearing khakis and a knit shirt, was holding a driver in his gloved left hand. The rest of his foursome, including his father, former president George H.W. Bush, was waiting. However incongruous the setting, the president plunged ahead. "There are a few killers who want to stop the peace process that we have started, and we must not let them," he said. "I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers."

His business out of the way, Bush barely paused for breath before saying, "Thank you. Now watch this drive."

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:11 am

Can't fault the man for wanting to have fun, on his VACATION of all things..

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