Mafia 5: Matters of Family And Honor (the game thread)

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:50 pm

"I am but human."

Grumlen · Post by **Grumlen** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:05 am

"As am I. Yet you comdemn me for assuming Sarah would be asleep, yet you have caused the death of an innocent man."

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:11 am

"It is true Vinnie, you are but human. Part of being human though is ackowledging your faults. A man who believes himself to be without faults is lying, not only to himself, but to the Lord thy God as well."

Grumlen · Post by **Grumlen** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 12:18 am

OOC:
[quote="Grumlen";p="424705"]"I had thought that my Uncle's kindness and virtue would have grown on this family, but I can see that this family is rotten to the core. Sadly, I cannot say that I am any better for I too jumped to conclusions after he was murdered, accusing Tommy with no real evidence or suspicion. While some of us show some amount of virtue, we are all guilty of pride."[/quote]

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:54 am

OOC: Grumlen, I know that you said that, but how could that possibly be an answer to someone who believes you to be guilty? And everybody, remember one thing. THIS IS A GAME! Nothing said by anyone here should be construed as an attack on the person controlling the character.

Grumlen · Post by **Grumlen** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:44 am

OOC: Dude, chill. The point is that Vinnie already said he's made mistakes. You seem to be taking this quite a bit more seriously than anyone else here. Oh, and about that "deciding vote" thing on Elhan, it was Scar that did it. Not to offend you, but if you want to start digging up old posts, get them right.

"So, you are convinced that I am guilty based on the assumption that I am lying, the assumption that Sarah is lying, and the assumption that I am guilty to begin with. Thats a fair bit of assuming that you are doing, especially since the assumption that Sarah and I are lying is based on the assumption of my guilt. I'm not sure how that mind of yours is working, but rarely do I find that circular reasoning leads anywhere. In case you are unsure of what I speak, allow me to rephrase this: You assume that I am guilty which proves that I am lying. Therefore I am lying if I say that I am not, which proves my guilt. Sarah must also be lying because I told her too, which only further proves my guilt. However, if I am not guilty, than there is no lying going on in the first place, so it proves nothing. Also, if I am not lying then I am not guilty, again proving nothing. I think you can see how the 2 assumptions prove eachother, but neither actually proves anything."

Vinnie thinks for a moment before resuming again.

"I believe I remember a case where this sort of reasoning was used before, but I thought that the church had learned the error of it's ways centuries ago. Perhaps you may recall it as The Inquisition. Fits perfectly with your Witch Hunt, doesn't it? Might I also remind you that The Inquisition did vastly more harm than good, driving people away from the church and slaughtering many innocent lives? Many people confessed to crimes they did not committ under the Inquisition because they were told they would be forgiven in the afterlife if they just confessed. Quite similar to what you are asking me to do . . ."

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:50 am

ooc: sounds to me like someone is having a little trouble seperating characters from those that control them. Just because I know something, that doesnt mean that Agapito does. Out Of Character knowledge shouldn't influence your character.
IC:
"You are past the point of being able to weasle out of this. You had your chance Vinnie. You had many chances actually, but you carried through with the same bullheadedness that got your father in trouble. There were no assumptions made here Vinnie, just connections being drawn. It is about time that you answer for your crimes against this family."

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:21 am

OOC: As it stands...

Grumlen: 4 Votes (NC, Aml, Mike, Pout)
Palazzo: 2 Votes (Sneaky, Grumlen)
Mike: 1 Vote (Ragnarok)

Not Voting: 2 People (Palazzo, Tomahawk)

Not being counted due to lack of participation: Everyone Else ... Unless I missed someone? Hm ... 4 2 1 ... I'm gonna be like CNN and not quite call it yet. Even though I doubt Palazzo will vote for himself ... ;p .. however...

IC:

With a sudden sound, the doors pushed open, and finally Salvatore enters ... looking dishsheveled, unshaven ... his shirt unbuttoned a few notches, tie loosened, hair uncombed ... his fingers jittered a bit from too much coffee, and his eyes were bloodshot from a lack of sleep - yet he was apparently calm, and lucid. His voice, however, was hoarse.

"I know ... why you're all here."

He smiled, bitterly, and grabbed a seat, dropping into it. By his side stood Leonardo, seemingly eternally calm and composed, watching them all from under his heavy, dark eyebrows.

".,.. My father ..."

Salvatore paused, and bowed his head, making a sign of the cross,

"... God rest his soul ... wanted each of you here for a reason, though his reasons are still beyond me ... I do know that there were three guilty... Though I do not know who, for certain ... conspirators. I've spent my time, since Nariko's death, on the phone, on my laptop, pouring over everything I could find to find what my father found out, to little avail ... it seems obvious, too me, that one of them, or all of them, found out about his plan, and kill ... killed him, so that he could not accuse them, dispatch them justly."

He rubbed his eyes with the heels of his palms, slumping forward.

"Still ... At least one of them yet lives - and I'm sure my time away was not spent idly."

He looked them all over, eyeing one and then the other ... placing his elbows on a table as he did so.

"So. Tell me ... the accused and accusers may make their cases. Let's hear it.

OOC: The end of round three draws near! Dun dun dunnnn ... So, final votes in, people. And once Salvatore hears... Well, you'll all see.

Ragnarok7331 · Post by **Ragnarok7331** » Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:41 pm

"I am not a sinless man. I know that I had a part in Nariko's death, but there was nothing I could do to stop it. The only person making obvious lies at this table is you, Agapito. You consider yourself the guiding force of this family? Then where is the strong objection to the murdering, theiving, and other criminal acts that we all commit? How are you trying to guide us on a moral path when you don't object to us doing such deeds?

Agapito. Vinnie has it right. You are convinced of his guilt based on an assumption , and then are trying to use that assumption to prove itself. Evidence! Give us some evidence of his guilt rather than conjecture! Your accusation of Vinnie is, frankly, pure bullshit. I have yet to see any evidence of his guilt. You should be ashamed, Agapito. Does not the bible say that righteous vengeance is not worth innocent death?

Salvatore, fellow members of the Marchelli family, Agapito has proved nothing, and is fighting for the death of an innocent man! People who believe Vinnie the murderer, please rethink your accusations, for the only agressive one here is Agapito. Let us put the priest in God's hands, and let His judgement be fair and swift."

Il Palazzo Sama · Post by **Il Palazzo Sama** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:20 am

"May we not be fogiven for the sins we do? None of here are free from sin, some have accepted it and others seek to hide it while the rest relish the sin. I'm to old to deal with the petty bickerings that are going on here. You all seem to forget that there is nothing but suspision to go on and instinct. I will agree that it is quite odd that the only people willing to back up each others story is our young couple here, which only creates suspision. I only hope we've made the right decision... I'm sorry Vinnie, You could have baan a great man......"

OOC: vote Vinnie.

Ragnarok7331 · Post by **Ragnarok7331** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:23 am

"I do realize all we have to go on here is suspicion, but the preist's actions seem a significant amount more suspicious than Vinnie's."

NorthernComfort · Post by **NorthernComfort** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:31 am

"What really rubs me suspicious is how you, Elhan, have been nearly silent for the entire trip, barely ever voicing an opinion, but the moment the pressure is on Vinnie you can't shut your mouth," said Tommy.

Ragnarok7331 · Post by **Ragnarok7331** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:17 am

"Are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact that it's never been so obvious before the radical nature of these allegations? I cannot tolerate the corruption of the light, and to see a priest work for someone's death struck me. I cannot let something such as this go uncontested. I cannot let the purity and sanctity of God be corrupted by a heretic preacher."

amlthrawn · Post by **amlthrawn** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:28 am

Corruption of the light, eh Elhan? This coming from a man whose spent his life in the dregs. You wouldn't know purity or sanctity if you were face to face with the Creator himself.

You should stop talking now.

Ragnarok7331 · Post by **Ragnarok7331** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:40 am

"Personal attacks will get you nowhere. Only through experiencing the darkness can one truly understand the ideals of goodness, meaningless murder not being one of them. I have seen many a man in their worse states, men that were seemingly good but would do...terrible things... in the name of self preservation. "

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