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Glich · Post by **Glich** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:53 pm

I am in a similar boat. there's gatta be somethinmg decent out there that dose imap and will no crash all the fricking time!

Penguin · Post by **Penguin** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:57 pm

A good spell checker is also a requirement for many people. *cough*

Personally I only use online accounts. Call me lazy, but I don't want to take the time to set something else up. I don't use e-mail for much, so I don't need a lot of features

minsx · Post by **minsx** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:46 pm

http://gmail.google.com

works pretty well for me, so far. only one downside: it's not an open beta, so you have to be invited by someone that has an account. But of course, if Greg wanted to try it out, I could almost guaruntee that someone one this forum has one to spare for the Forum God.

Also, I like it because there aren't a bazillion blinking and flashing ads like hotmail and all. Plus, 1 gig of storage?

I am liking it so far. . .better than continually having to save or delete all my hotmail messages because I am out of room.

Minsx, Wanderer
(Yes I STILL play evercrack, I mean, everquest)

dmpotter · Post by **dmpotter** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:59 pm

I'm curious as to what exactly Greg's problem is. I've never had a problem with Thunderbird and I use it with both an IMAP and a POP3 server. (Work account and home account, respectively.)

But regarding getting help from Mozilla - yeah, every time I've ever tried to report a bug or get support through them they've been assholes.

What can I say? I like the programs, but the developers kind of - annoy me.

Post by **Mae Dean** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:47 pm

Problem with Thunderbird : I reinstall, set up my account, and shortly thereafter, my folders become read-only. No downloading new e-mail, no deleting e-mail, no moving e-mail, and oddly enough, no READING e-mail. When I try to manually change the permissions on the folder, it sets right back to read-only instantly. Fucking annoying.

And I have gmail, but I read e-mail too quickly to have to click on each message individually. I need a client. Currently I've hooked up Outlook Express (which I hate, but it works). I also need a client that can use a bayesian spam filter. I get WAAAAY too much spam to read without one.

dmpotter · Post by **dmpotter** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:31 pm

Hmm... I don't think anything in Thunderbird should be setting your profile directory read only.

Your anti-virus software, on the other hand...

Some programs will "quarantine" files they think have viruses. (They do this by removing all permissions on the file, including read permissions.) Since Thunderbird stores all your e-mail in one large file, it's possible that your anti-virus software is deciding that the entire thing is a virus and has "quarantined" it for your protection.

Check with your anti-virus software to see if it has quarantined any files. If it has, see if you can "unquarantine" the file and disable it. If this is the case, you may wish to file a bug with Thunderbird, which will immediately be marked "invalid" since Mozilla hates making their program work with other programs.

Anyway, that's my bet.

Edit:

Maybe some variant of bug #238499?

BtEO · Post by **BtEO** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:58 pm

I've been using Opera's email client for sometime. The best thing about it is that it was using a flat database style storage mechanism for it's mails before Gmail was even a blip on the radar. Unfortunatly the implementation has never quite been 100% (Particulary with IMAP) and it *might* take a little fiddling to get things how you want.
Consider this a recommendation, with a warning to try it in parallel with whatever you are already using; until you are certain you either hate it or can work with it. It has some kind of a bayesian based classifying system in it. And that can be used with an arbitary number of "buckets" (any filter can be marked as one that learns as mails are added/removed) I was already using another program (see below) before this feature was implemented as as such have never got around to trying it out yet.

For bayesian filtering, Spambayes has been doing an excellent job with my admittedly meagre flow of spam. And the pop proxy will play nice with any email client going so I recommend it regardless of whether you end up using Opera or not.

TuxedoRevolutionary · Post by **TuxedoRevolutionary** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:06 pm

what method are you using to filter? I have the best luck with blacklist filtering, for what it's worth.

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:21 am

[quote="dmpotter";p="377463"]Maybe some variant of bug #238499?[/quote]

this bug frightens me.

Evan · Post by **Evan** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:40 pm

A friend of mine just tried out Thunderbird for a week and agrees that unlike it's browser sibling it, in fact, is shit. Both of us have been using Outlook 2003 since last year and neither of us have yet to find anything that comes close to it.

I'll agree with you Greg that Outlook Express (and 2002 for that matter) is crap. But 2003 is light-years above both of them. It's built in spam filter is it's only weakness, but from what I understand you can use Bayesians without a problem. It's definitely not the cheap way to go, but if you haven't started using Office 2003 (which in itself is worth every cent) then it's worth the upgrade just for Outlook. Since you're a student (aren't you?) you can get a cheap pack that includes Outlook.

I think you can get a trial version from microsoft.com, I swear you will be happy with it.

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