Gay Politicians and Gay Laws

Beware of the Leopard · Post by **Beware of the Leopard** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 11:35 pm

"America: they're here; they're queer; get bored with it."
-Bill Maher

Why is the federal government involved with marriage at all?

As for Camp David, people like you serve their favored candidates best by not serving them at all:
http://sinfest.net/d/20040901.html

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:56 am

[quote="Camp David";p="391731"]That man is a disgrace to the Republican party. It is already most unfortunate that the Vice President's daughter is a shame to the Cheney family, but to have powerful conservative Republican voices revealed to be betraying their ideals is terrible. However, as twisted as this man is (I listened to the MP3, which was disgusting)- I feel that he did the right thing to resign. America needs to amend the Constitution to keep these liberal gays from believing they can actually achieve the sanctimony of marriage. For this to happen, the moral Republicans need to present a unified front. Shrock has shamed America worse than a hundred liberal faggots could.[/quote]
Shut the fuck up. You're making me - and all true conservatives - look fucktarded by relation.

peter-griffin · Post by **peter-griffin** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:24 pm

I think he's being a tad bit sarcastic.

Rembrandt Q. Einstein · Post by **Rembrandt Q. Einstein** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:45 pm

I hope he's being a tad sarcastic

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:03 pm

[quote="peter-griffin";p="393491"]I think he's being a tad bit sarcastic.[/quote]
I don't care.

Betaflame · Post by **Betaflame** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:23 pm

Personally, I think 'marriage' should be dropped from the government vocab. The idea of monogomous "holy" matromony is Christian in nature, as is the idea that homosexual relationships are bad. In most ancient cultures homosexual relationships were accepted as normal part of social development. It's only in the last 2000ish years that it suddenly became something evil and perverted. Let them do whatever they want. Just make it as big a pain in the ass for them to get divorced as hetero couples. They have to take the good with the bad. Not like women wanting equality then not wanting to be drafted.

as far as camp david, I will just assume he just copy and pasted than off Jerry Falwell's site or something.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:36 pm

I've learned that people will believe whatever they want to believe. And that's GAY!

Rembrandt Q. Einstein · Post by **Rembrandt Q. Einstein** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:54 pm

[quote="Betaflame";p="399673"]Personally, I think 'marriage' should be dropped from the government vocab. The idea of monogomous "holy" matromony is Christian in nature, as is the idea that homosexual relationships are bad. In most ancient cultures homosexual relationships were accepted as normal part of social development. It's only in the last 2000ish years that it suddenly became something evil and perverted. Let them do whatever they want. Just make it as big a pain in the ass for them to get divorced as hetero couples. They have to take the good with the bad. Not like women wanting equality then not wanting to be drafted.

as far as camp david, I will just assume he just copy and pasted than off Jerry Falwell's site or something.[/quote]
AFAIK it was never really accepted, but I may be totally wrong...

EvilPsychoJoe · Post by **EvilPsychoJoe** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:05 pm

Rembrandt Q. Einstein wrote:[quote="Betaflame";p="399673"]Personally, I think 'marriage' should be dropped from the government vocab. The idea of monogomous "holy" matromony is Christian in nature, as is the idea that homosexual relationships are bad. In most ancient cultures homosexual relationships were accepted as normal part of social development. It's only in the last 2000ish years that it suddenly became something evil and perverted. Let them do whatever they want. Just make it as big a pain in the ass for them to get divorced as hetero couples. They have to take the good with the bad. Not like women wanting equality then not wanting to be drafted.

as far as camp david, I will just assume he just copy and pasted than off Jerry Falwell's site or something.

AFAIK it was never really accepted, but I may be totally wrong...[/quote]In the ancient Greek and Roman cultures, among all of the previous civilizations, I do believe that even if it wasn't "openly" accepted, it was still done. Homosexuality in those days was to my knowledge not only not against any laws, be they holy or secular, but also frequently practiced by both the common folk and the ruling classes of the time. There may be exceptions, but I don't think that homosexuality was considered a taboo until Christianity took root, citing it as one of the immoralities of the corrupt Roman society they wanted to break away from.

If someone can reinforce or bust apart what I've said, please do so with some factual evidence.

Betaflame · Post by **Betaflame** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:05 pm

"AFAIK it was never really accepted, but I may be totally wrong..."

Take a look at early greek and roman civilizations. Not only was it accepted, it was expected, of men at least. I think women were a little more privite.

Rembrandt Q. Einstein · Post by **Rembrandt Q. Einstein** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:10 pm

I know it HAPPENED I just never though it was accepted, much less expected.

Betaflame · Post by **Betaflame** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:27 pm

In Greek civialization it was part of the initiatory "rites" that young males went through with older males in the public bathhouses. Roman "civialization" was just a spin off of Greek until the advent of Christianity, at which point it became the largest misnomer in history, so I believe it was a common practice there. The Holy Roman Empire.

It's more like the history you generally learn today paints it in an ugly light.

give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can google something.

<edit>Quickly, here is one http://www.wehaitians.com/annals%20of%2 ... 20gay.html

I'm gonna google this guy and see what his qualifications are.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:39 pm

EvilPsychoJoe, you make it sound like homosexuality was prevalent or at least accepted all over the world until Christianity showed up. That's a staggeringly incorrect perception. There were some cultures in which such things were tolerated, and there were even a couple where they were encouraged or seen as healthy. But homosexuality has been "taboo" as you put it long before Jesus ever showed up. He didn't change anything in that regard. Hell, even simple adultery was punishable by death.

Betaflame · Post by **Betaflame** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:52 pm

"EvilPsychoJoe, you make it sound like homosexuality was prevalent or at least accepted all over the world until Christianity showed up."

I believe it was accepted in most European cultures, and in parts of the Americas?

I cant find alot of info on Prof Crampton right now, it's mostly about his book, and reveiws for his book, but he does make an apperence on the Administration page of the Uni of Nebraska page, which makes me incline to believe this guy is a little more than a propoganda machine.

thedreamisgone · Post by **thedreamisgone** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:00 pm

did you know that like, sixty percent of penguins are gay?

no, i don't know if it's that high. but it's a startling percentage. most of nature has its homosexual part too.

as for a disgrace to the republican party, I have a better candidate:

Bush.

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