Succinctly, will someone tell me why I shouldn't be moderately terrified of the relatively near future? Link me to a reliable/convinving site that explains how things are likely to be somewhat ok, how we'll find an alternative source of energy and somehow make our economy survive at least in some capacity the inevitable dwindling/depletion of the world's oil supplies?
I know, I know, I'm usually far more rational than to get upset over conjecture like that of the oil-peak nay-sayers, but seriously, I'm more or less convinced that they're right, that basically sometime within the next fifty years (optimistically), things are going to get bad. So, if you would, tell me why I should stop worrying so much about this...
-- Chris
Oh, if you're not sure what I'm talking about, just search a bit for information on the oil peak and such...
Oil.
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Oil.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
I'll admit that I don't know much about this oil peak stuff. From what I have looked over, the information that these theories are created from seems to be based on current oil productions.
How do they account for the fact that there are probably many many more oil reserves yet to be discovered? And that there are many that we know of that are not being utilized.
In conclusion, *cough*Alaska*cough*.
How do they account for the fact that there are probably many many more oil reserves yet to be discovered? And that there are many that we know of that are not being utilized.
In conclusion, *cough*Alaska*cough*.
Anything but IE!
Fortunately, I've made myself somewhat less paranoid by doing some research into alternative energy... sure it'd be bad if we ran out of oil prematurely, but I think with things like hydro power (efficient renewable energy) we'd probably get through it without a general societal collapse or something. So I'm somewhat less, ah, hysterical right now. But still... I think the chilling part is how oblivious most people are to the potential situation and its ramifications. Really, if we were intelligent as a species, we'd be turning en masse toward developing efficient renewable (or at least non-oil) energy sources right now, rather than when it starts to become a problem which could be too late... *sighs*
-- Chris
-- Chris
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Well, first of all, it should be noted that we've been "approaching" "peak oil" for the past 50 years, anyway. New technology keeps pushing it back. Currently, about 30% of the world's total suspected oil reserves are accessible to us. Technology slated to be available within the decade will push that back to 60 or 70% and beyond.
Also, new processes for the creation of plastics using smokestack soot and bacteria will drop our total consumption of oil by a HUGE ammount.
We've got a while yet.
Also, new processes for the creation of plastics using smokestack soot and bacteria will drop our total consumption of oil by a HUGE ammount.
We've got a while yet.
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blaze, thats a terrible way to look at it. we will just come up with a another way to make petrol so we will never have to change to some other cleaner fuel method, screw the fact that all the evidence points to the fact that global warming is happening and that the excessive amounts of fossil fuels and pollution we release every day is just quickening the effect. No all that matters is that people can use there cars for pointless journeys, using for the most part highly inefficient engines.
its not your fault but that attitude, endemic of the majority of the population isn't helping.
its not your fault but that attitude, endemic of the majority of the population isn't helping.
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[/url]This isn't about global warming; that's a relatively long-term consequence (though I believe it has been rather conclusively established to exist... I'm not even completely sure it's caused by emissions). Nekra, this is about the survival of civilization until efficient/effective alternative energy sources can be developed. And really, why would you of all people call someone a moron? I'm fairly sure Deacon doesn't actually believe that Global Warming will cause only warmer temperatures... assuming that others are stupid is a good way to, well, look stupid yourself.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Then tell me. I'd love to hear it. Right here. Seriously.
But I'm afraid I'd have to point Azurain back to previous threads on this issue. We've covered it, wether it was confidence inspiring or not. Maybe the thread I made awhile back about Bush and his Mission to Mars might help you more, since we shed some light on the same issue there.
But for the life of me, I can't find it.
But I'm afraid I'd have to point Azurain back to previous threads on this issue. We've covered it, wether it was confidence inspiring or not. Maybe the thread I made awhile back about Bush and his Mission to Mars might help you more, since we shed some light on the same issue there.
But for the life of me, I can't find it.
maybe, but i'm sick of hearing people shrug and go, thats nice i like warm weather...
coz no you wont, you will have wetter weather, more unstable weather patterns, more flooding, loss of low level land zones, hell its even possible for what happened in the day after tomorrow, although that is certainly a very extreme possibillity.
coz no you wont, you will have wetter weather, more unstable weather patterns, more flooding, loss of low level land zones, hell its even possible for what happened in the day after tomorrow, although that is certainly a very extreme possibillity.
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Rembrandt Q. Einstein
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lolz, I liek teh warm whether!!!
but seriously, on the topic specifically ofoil use by cars (which I know is a fraction of total oil usage) both Electric/hybrid cars are becoming popular, and hydrogen fuel cells are now in the process of being put on the road.
It's kind of funny that it took this long though, my friend and I roughly sketched out what we now know is a fuel cell in, like, 7th grade. We thought it was a really neat idea!
but seriously, on the topic specifically ofoil use by cars (which I know is a fraction of total oil usage) both Electric/hybrid cars are becoming popular, and hydrogen fuel cells are now in the process of being put on the road.
It's kind of funny that it took this long though, my friend and I roughly sketched out what we now know is a fuel cell in, like, 7th grade. We thought it was a really neat idea!
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