Kerry wants to ban all shotguns!

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:59 pm

Drudge Report

As a hunter, and a person interested in home defense, the knowledge that Kerry was voting for these kinds of bans was another nail in the coffin of convincing me Kerry is nuts.

EDIT: Here's another link for people who don't like Drudge's site.

Yahoo News

Teranfirbt · Post by **Teranfirbt** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:06 pm

Hmmm
I just find it funny that he was shooting without eye and ear protection (if yahoo is accurate, that is).

tankkisankari · Post by **tankkisankari** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:35 pm

All shotguns are semiautomatic and have pistol grips?

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:06 pm

Shotguns are either break (single or double barrel), pump, or semiautomatic yes. Read the drudge article for a link to the description of "pistol grip" in the bill.

"The term 'pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."

tankkisankari · Post by **tankkisankari** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:19 pm

I read the yahoo's and the Drudges reports yes, i think they meant that a pistol grip would be a seperate grip, like the one an assaul rifle have. If so, then they got the semantics wrong.

Phong · Post by **Phong** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:53 pm

That's what I thought as well, Tank. But aparently its so loosely defined that it can also include the sort that is still part of the stock but pistol-grip-ish.

adamjaskie · Post by **adamjaskie** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:04 pm

I don't like Kerry's stance on guns at all. However, I don't like Bush's stance on a lot more things.

Frankly, I don't think Kerry will mannage to get much anti-gun stuff through. I don't think Kerry will manage to get much of anything through.

Mew Guy · Post by **Mew Guy** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:05 pm

Afraid the King of England will start bossing you around?

I say they should be banned.

adamjaskie · Post by **adamjaskie** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:38 pm

Why? Why should something that is used for target shooting, hunting and home defence be banned? I don't even think that a semiautomatic rifle with a pistol grip and folding stock should be banned, so this is really annoying to me.

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:47 pm

Afraid the King of England will start bossing you around?

I say they should be banned.

No, but I am afraid the President of the United States will start bossing people around. That's why our constitution protects the right to bear arms- to allow for rebellion. THe second ammendment is not there so that people can hunt, or shoot criminals, or do target practice. The point of the constitution as a whole is to limit the powers of government- to prevent majority rule from overrunning minority rights, and vice-versa. As I've said before, there should be no limit on what weapons people are allowed to have whatsoever.

randomperson2 · Post by **randomperson2** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:07 pm

Ok top of the line illegal shotguns modded all the hell vs. M16s and Napalm. Not even close. This might have worked when everyone had muskets but not anymore. Rebellion is not a possiblity let alone an issue.

In addition to this the purpose of the second ammendment could not have been supporting a rebellion as it says well regulated militia.

As an endnote, I am pro-gun that pistol grip thing is stupid

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:10 pm

I'm for gun rights, but OTOH, I don't see why the average American needs a fully automatic M-4 with imaging scopes and 100 round drum clips.

But, when people want to remove all firearms, I laugh. The criminals have enough of an edge already.

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:11 pm

In addition to this the purpose of the second ammendment could not have been supporting a rebellion as it says well regulated militia.

And what is a militia for, but to counteract the standing army?

Your arrogance amuses me. Rebellion not possible? Just because every great Empire in the past has suffered from internal conflict doesn't mean it can (and will) happen to the US, right? No, we'll go on ebing a superpower forever. We'll never lose our industrial base and become a service-based economy. We'll never have civil unrest, coupled with an apathetic majority. Right.

randomperson2 · Post by **randomperson2** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:14 pm

In its inception I believe the militia was as an alternative to a standing army, as the standing army was greatly feared by the founders.

adamjaskie · Post by **adamjaskie** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:08 pm

The militia is the group of all able-bodied persons in the United States.

I don't nessicarily think people should have unrestricted access to all weapons, but I don't see why I shouldn't be able to have an M-16. It isn't any deadlier than a typical hunting rifle, so why are they restricted?

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