Kerry wants to ban all shotguns!

[Bigity]

I don't know many...hm, any hunters who just go out and shoot animals, that don't use the meat, or at the very least, give it to someone who will us it.

You haven't eaten until you are chewing while spitting out shotgun pellets.

[Deacon]

[quote="Nekra";p="394188"]its the pistols you should be banning, a pistol has only one use the killing of human beings.[/quote]
They have many other uses, such as preventing crime.

[Salvation122]

[quote="randomperson2";p="394208"]It is also important to note that hunting hasn't been neccisary for a long time, really the only reason people hunt is for fun, ruining the meat might not matter.[/quote]
You're wrong. In many of the extreme norther states and very poor rural areas, hunting provides the sole source of meat for many families.

[elroy]

I think the addagium 'if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns' is true. If there's a demand, someone will sell it. Same reason why the whole war on drugs is lost, really.

[adamjaskie]

Exactly, so you might as well legalize it and regulate it, rather than simply making the people that sell the stuff on the black market rich and powerful, and keeping guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

Oh, and the reason shotguns are used for hunting in more densly populated areas is that a shotgun slug isn't going to go flying several thousand feet and go through someone's house.

[Blaze]

That was the point, adam. Yes.

And yeah, Bigity. If and when I finally BAG myself a white-tail, it'll make some FINE eatin'.

[Blind Pyr0]

As I recently came into about 150 guns, a good 50 shotguns, I don't think they stand a very good chance of taking them away.

*cleans gun*

[DeepFried]

I don't like guns. I won't ever use them. If you want to use them, do it responsibly. That's actually my stance on alcohol and marijuana... Probably best not to combine any of the three either...

As for Kerry, who knows what he was doing? He probably has about as much knowledge about guns as I do. It wouldn't be the first time a Senator voted on a bill he didn't know much about.

[Teranfirbt]

[quote="DeepFried";p="394250"]I don't like guns. I won't ever use them. If you want to use them, do it responsibly.[/quote]
You sound like my mom....
I find going out and shooting targets to be a challenge and just plain fun... when used responsibly (ie: not swinging it around or point it at people) guns are perfectly safe.
I was taught gun safety from the age of 5, and every rule and requirement still comes out every time I pick up a gun.

[Imperator Severn]

They have many other uses, such as preventing crime.

They prevent crime by killing criminals, who are human beings.

guns are perfectly safe.

Bullshit. Guns are made for killing, and that's just what they'll do.

[AlexanderBarca]

1. Forgive me if my knowledge of hunting comes from Alabama, where phesants aren't exactly the game of choice.

2. I've never heard so much tweeting on this board. Note to adamjaskie, you don't have to respond with an "I AGREE!!" to every post in the thread.

3. Salvation, if you can show me one family that has the money to buy shotguns, consistantly buy shells, and maintain their guns, yet must rely on shooting birds in order to survive, I'll eat crow (no pun intended).

4. Deacon seems to think that everybody having a gun would make society a better place and of ALL places, points to ISRAEL as an example of such a society. Because we all know how safe the streets of Israel are, right? Guns are not a magic, happy elixir that will end crime. In order to do that we actually have to cut off the things that CAUSE crime (mainly a lack of education), but that's another thread.

5. And as for what's wrong with AK-47's, I'd say there is something very wrong with legalizing a gun that can mow down a throng of people in seconds.

[Nodbugger]

It is Sweden that also does this(I think) Every person at the age of 18 is sent through boot camp and after wards they are given an armament of weapons and one of the smaller pistols is meant to be carried at all times. They have virtually no gun related crime. Because every single person is packing and they know exactly how to use it.

You can legally own any weapon with the right certification. I think it is a class III license that allows you to own automatic weapons. You can get an extensive background check, you are watched for months and then you must pay a large sum. So they don't exactly hand them out everyday.

Buying a shotgun and ammo is not very hard. If you go to k-mart you can buy a shotgun and enough ammo to last year for under $100. Rural areas don't mean they are poor. It means they don't have a Jewel they can run down to and pick up a packet of meat.


Imperator Severn, criminals that that have given someone a reason to shoot them, 99% of the time have given up their right to be called a human. I feel nothing when a law abiding citizen kills a criminal. I applaud someone for protecting themselves.

[AdmiralKnight]

[quote="Nodbugger";p="394314"]Imperator Severn, criminals that that have given someone a reason to shoot them, 99% of the time have given up their right to be called a human. I feel nothing when a law abiding citizen kills a criminal. I applaud someone for protecting themselves.[/quote]

Hm, yes, because when a person breaks into another person's house and is shot to death for trying to take a stereo, they've obviously lost all traces of humanity, and should be slaughtered post haste.

Being a criminal doesn't mean you're no longer human. Almost everyone has mentioned home protection and such... It's one thing to protect your family from someone intending on hurting them, but it's another thing all together to kill someone for ripping off your TV. There are too many trigger-happy people out there who shoot first and ask questions later.

[Nodbugger]

[quote="AdmiralKnight";p="394342"][quote="Nodbugger";p="394314"]Imperator Severn, criminals that that have given someone a reason to shoot them, 99% of the time have given up their right to be called a human. I feel nothing when a law abiding citizen kills a criminal. I applaud someone for protecting themselves.[/quote]

Hm, yes, because when a person breaks into another person's house and is shot to death for trying to take a stereo, they've obviously lost all traces of humanity, and should be slaughtered post haste.

Being a criminal doesn't mean you're no longer human. Almost everyone has mentioned home protection and such... It's one thing to protect your family from someone intending on hurting them, but it's another thing all together to kill someone for ripping off your TV. There are too many trigger-happy people out there who shoot first and ask questions later.[/quote]

Ya, because we know the intent of someone breaking into your home.

This is what makes me mad. You say we should stop people from shooting criminals. I say we should stop criminals. What would stop crime more than the fear if of getting shot and killed.

And it is better to shoot first ask questions later, than never shoot and be dead.

[Deacon]

[quote="Imperator Severn";p="394307"]

They have many other uses, such as preventing crime.

They prevent crime by killing criminals, who are human beings.[/quote]
Dude, are you joking? Guns are a deterrent. Their very presence causes even batshit insanely mad people to reconsider. Their actual mechanical use to fire a projectile is a last resort.

[quote="AlexanderBarca";p="394312"]1. Forgive me if my knowledge of hunting comes from Alabama, where phesants aren't exactly the game of choice.[/quote]
Dude, I've never once hunted with a shotgun, but even I know better.

3. Salvation, if you can show me one family that has the money to buy shotguns, consistantly buy shells, and maintain their guns, yet must rely on shooting birds in order to survive, I'll eat crow (no pun intended).

In Arizona? No. Alaska? Yes. For most of the rest of the state in the boonies, it's a supplemental thing. Ranchers and others use them to ward off rustlers (yes, that's still a problem sometimes), snakes, coyotes, illegal immigrants, etc, depending on what part of the US it is that you call home.

4. Deacon seems to think that everybody having a gun would make society a better place and of ALL places, points to ISRAEL as an example of such a society. Because we all know how safe the streets of Israel are, right?

Wow. Nice. Comparing individual violent crime with suicide bombings. Very good stuff.

Guns are not a magic, happy elixir that will end crime.

Of course not, but the knowledge that the soon-to-be victim stands a very good chance of being armed seems to be a great deterrent in areas where this is the case.

In order to do that we actually have to cut off the things that CAUSE crime (mainly a lack of education), but that's another thread.

Uh, "crime" and its causes is an incredibly intricate, deep, tangled mess. We will never stop crime in human society. We can deter much of it, however.

5. And as for what's wrong with AK-47's, I'd say there is something very wrong with legalizing a gun that can mow down a throng of people in seconds.

I actually agree. In my opinion, the only people that should have access to such weapons are hardened criminals.

[quote="AdmiralKnight";p="394342"]Hm, yes, because when a person breaks into another person's house and is shot to death for trying to take a stereo, they've obviously lost all traces of humanity, and should be slaughtered post haste.[/quote]
Actually he broke in with the intent of raping and murding my wife and daughter. Right? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps that was his intent, but he never would've carried through with it. Perhaps his only intent was to find a stereo to steal to feed his crack addiction (stealing is not the trivial crime people seem to consider it), but while he's there, he gets a "second wind" and would've ended up performing the acts of rape and murder. Who knows? Not me. But I'm not going to invite a criminal that has broken into my home to sit down and have a cup of tea and give me an outline of his agenda for his invasion of my home. If he appears armed in any way from anything I can tell, I'm not only legally covered in defending myself, my home, and my family, but I'm damn sure going to do so.

Being a criminal doesn't mean you're no longer human.

No, but it means you give up your basic human rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Almost everyone has mentioned home protection and such... It's one thing to protect your family from someone intending on hurting them, but it's another thing all together to kill someone for ripping off your TV. There are too many trigger-happy people out there who shoot first and ask questions later.

See above. And after you get your head out of the suburban clouds, get a mop to clean up after that ridiculous bleeding heart of yours.