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Or if you want some real fun leverageing your strength against their strengh and beating them.
Kill a man, and you are an assassin. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.
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No, Strength is absolute
Kill a man, and you are an assassin. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.
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Death, taxes, and strength.
Kill a man, and you are an assassin. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.
<Randomperson2> Yes I am pretty sure my computer is trying to commit suicide.
<RembrantQEinstein> Just watch to see if random Emo tracks start appearing in your playlists.
<Randomperson2> Yes I am pretty sure my computer is trying to commit suicide.
<RembrantQEinstein> Just watch to see if random Emo tracks start appearing in your playlists.
Isn't that statement in and of itself an absolute?Severn wrote:There are no absolutes.
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Damnit, you ruined our cliche war
Kill a man, and you are an assassin. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.
<Randomperson2> Yes I am pretty sure my computer is trying to commit suicide.
<RembrantQEinstein> Just watch to see if random Emo tracks start appearing in your playlists.
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Re: might makes right
If it is a might that is applied towards achieving a great cause, than it is right.
And obviously, if might is used for malicious intent, then it is wrong.
And obviously, if might is used for malicious intent, then it is wrong.
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Yeah. We pretty much freakin' set that down on our little guideline for this exercise, yellow13. If its something you want to do, the 'wrongness' is only determined by those that are affected by your own actions. And THEY only matter if they're strong enough to stop or hinder you.
Deacon pretty much got it spot on in this case, as far as I'm conserned. But now apply it in some sort of hypothetical. Or if this IS the real world, as some of you claim, show evidence of how and why.
Deacon pretty much got it spot on in this case, as far as I'm conserned. But now apply it in some sort of hypothetical. Or if this IS the real world, as some of you claim, show evidence of how and why.
It depends on the context in which "right" is being defined. If the system or power dictating right and...umm....'not allowed' has a particular goal, then any actions (percieved as) hindering the goal are wrong.
There's no universal system of rights, just as there are no universal ethics.
Therefore - ya, might certainly does make right, since the power in control is defining the system of right and 'not allowed'.
There's no universal system of rights, just as there are no universal ethics.
Therefore - ya, might certainly does make right, since the power in control is defining the system of right and 'not allowed'.
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Perhaps Nietzsche was right after all.
This is the evil in all things under the sun: The same fate takes all. The hearts of men are full of evil and madness while they live, then they join the dead. Anyone who is living has hope...For the living know they will die, but the dead know nothing.
Ecclesiastes
Ecclesiastes
I am strong enough to take candy off a baby. I would not be right to do so.
I wouldn't get introuble for doing so, unless their were police and parents stronger than me though.
Hence Might doesn't make Right, but without Might there is nothing that Right can do.
Which is why we have Police Forces and Armies etc.
Note: This is a simplification, I am sure people could argue taking Candy off a baby is a legitimate way to get nourished.
I wouldn't get introuble for doing so, unless their were police and parents stronger than me though.
Hence Might doesn't make Right, but without Might there is nothing that Right can do.
Which is why we have Police Forces and Armies etc.
Note: This is a simplification, I am sure people could argue taking Candy off a baby is a legitimate way to get nourished.
An argument based soley in morals. Therefore, no more correct than anything else, and much LESS correct than something based in reason and fact.I am strong enough to take candy off a baby. I would not be right to do so.
I wouldn't get introuble for doing so, unless their were police and parents stronger than me though.
the main question is (I think) who defines 'right' is it the weak or the strong ?
assuming the strong dictates everything might WILL make right.
example:
in ancient times kings used to hold writers and poets in their courts so they'd document the kigs deeds: "brave sir robin ran away..."
these songs/stories became history, and thus every move the king made was portrayed as a positive deed: "bravely bravely ran away..."
today the same thing is done, through the media, today the word "natzi" is a synonym with evil and genocide considered a horrible horrible thing. what do you think would have happened had hitler won ? he'd be portrayed as the hero who saved europe... thus the might depicted the 'right'
in other words if I were stronger than the police and the kids momma, I could take his candy, and it'd be the right thing to do
assuming the strong dictates everything might WILL make right.
example:
in ancient times kings used to hold writers and poets in their courts so they'd document the kigs deeds: "brave sir robin ran away..."
these songs/stories became history, and thus every move the king made was portrayed as a positive deed: "bravely bravely ran away..."
today the same thing is done, through the media, today the word "natzi" is a synonym with evil and genocide considered a horrible horrible thing. what do you think would have happened had hitler won ? he'd be portrayed as the hero who saved europe... thus the might depicted the 'right'
in other words if I were stronger than the police and the kids momma, I could take his candy, and it'd be the right thing to do
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