Lots of fat cells don't kill people, lots of fatty foods do

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:23 am

Depends on what you mean by "overweight." I'm fatter than I ought to be, but not to a degree that threatens my life. The only thing my gut threatens is my PFT scores. However, if you are obese, that is to say very fat, you are unhealthy by definition, and as Deacon said, if you eat healthy and excercise and still have a double chin, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

Mat3 · Post by **Mat3** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:26 pm

Overweight is the wrong term.

Mike Tyson is overweight, but he isn't fat. (He's not healthy either, but thats due to him allowing people to continually punch him in the head).

Most Athletes are overweight, the common saying "Muscle weighs more than Fat" is true. The simple fact that most people who say that wobble so much they are probaby 90% Fat by Mass(ok, over exagerration for effect).

Being Fat, as in having a normal or lower than normal % of muscle, and being overweight, is undoubtedly unhealthy. For a catologue of reasons. Not all serious. Drinking causes liver failure, not everyone who has a few beers a day will get liver failure (although their behaviour will be unhealthy). Similarily not everyone who weighs a few to many stone will have a Heart attack but some will.

Healths not that clear, not everyone dies due to their bad health. The disease with one of the highest Fatality rates (Rates of people dying of it, or related conditions) is Aids, and thats still in at 99% which i like to think of as being the walking under a bus chance, you could weigh 30 stone and be hit by a bus.

Although, if you're 30 stone your chance of being hit by a bus is a hell of a lot higher than some atlhetic 10 stone something.

(1 Stone = 14 pounds.)

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:10 pm

Damn limeys and their stones and their rock music...

SothThe69th · Post by **SothThe69th** » Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:15 pm

And their colour and armour. Bastards.

mrchapel · Post by **mrchapel** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:21 am

Overweight is overweight. Being too big (either muscle or fat) will put extra strain on your bones and heart.
Only difference is that people with higher muscle weight tend to have healthier hearts and bones.

Mat3 · Post by **Mat3** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:57 pm

Ah true, but the heart issue doesn't really count because if you've got higher than average muscle weight you're almost certainly going to have a stronger than average heart. (If you managed to get more muscles without doing any exercise that made your heart stronger you are very special indeed).

Of course overweight muscle bound people suffer endless problems with their bones, just see how much more common broken bones are in sports people (I mean none contact sports, obviously it would be higher in contact sports) but the occasional bone being a bit weaker is nothing compared to the enormous problems associated with being too fat.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:06 pm

[quote="Mat3";p="401871"]Of course overweight muscle bound people suffer endless problems with their bones, just see how much more common broken bones are in sports people (I mean none contact sports, obviously it would be higher in contact sports) but the occasional bone being a bit weaker is nothing compared to the enormous problems associated with being too fat.[/quote]
What the festering fuck are you talking about? What you just said makes no sense in any way. First of all, how would you quantify wtf you're talking about? Athletes rarely break bones, and the few times it ever happens, you probably hear about it. I'm just at a total loss as to where you're getting this crap.

Plus, even hypothetically assuming that your odd little hypothesis is correct, keep in mind that even if they're not broken by pure impact of body on body in a contact sport, athletes are up off their asses DOING SOMETHING. If you sit on your ass all day, you're probably not going to break anything, no.

BadMonkey · Post by **BadMonkey** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:30 pm

Atheletes break bones all the time.
Playing Football, Rugby, Boxing, Wrestling...

Kana Li · Post by **Kana Li** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:30 pm

Deacon wrote:[quote="Mat3";p="401871"]Of course overweight muscle bound people suffer endless problems with their bones, just see how much more common broken bones are in sports people (I mean none contact sports, obviously it would be higher in contact sports) but the occasional bone being a bit weaker is nothing compared to the enormous problems associated with being too fat.

What the festering fuck are you talking about? What you just said makes no sense in any way. First of all, how would you quantify wtf you're talking about? Athletes rarely break bones, and the few times it ever happens, you probably hear about it. I'm just at a total loss as to where you're getting this crap.

Plus, even hypothetically assuming that your odd little hypothesis is correct, keep in mind that even if they're not broken by pure impact of body on body in a contact sport, athletes are up off their asses DOING SOMETHING. If you sit on your ass all day, you're probably not going to break anything, no.[/quote]There Called stress fractures and there caused by higher than avarge stress on the bones. Like being over weight or doing something high impact like running. In a healthy younger person that takes in the right amount of calcium the bones will actul become more dense ie stronger with higher levels of stress.

Mat3 · Post by **Mat3** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:06 pm

Deacon, Glad to know you think you know everything but you don't. Get some research papers out of your local library if you want to find some facts out. In fact the average british sprinter will miss one or two races every season due to bone problems.

BadMonkey, Read what I said again. Then think how stupid you are.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:13 pm

Yes, let's compare the bone problems of the obese versus athletes. Also, let's totally ignore any factors like actual physical activity, which is usually necessary to cause a bone to break, if you rule out a giant ham rolling off the table onto a foot. Then let's be a festering asshole about it.

mrchapel · Post by **mrchapel** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:47 pm

if you rule out a giant ham rolling off the table onto a foot

LMAO!
How much do you want to bet this event has actually taken place?

Rembrandt Q. Einstein · Post by **Rembrandt Q. Einstein** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:18 am

mat3, lay off moneky, he was just being goofy. Note the ":p" smiley, this denotes that the post is not entirely serious.

Think about that and realize how stupid you are.

BadMonkey · Post by **BadMonkey** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:50 pm

[facetious] [/facetious]

Mat3 · Post by **Mat3** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:48 pm

Deacon, whole point of my post was as a reply to a post by mrchapel. He made the initial comparison (in reply to a post I made about not everyone who was overweight was fat), I just further evaluated the point he made that being overweight was always unhealthy.

Rembrandt Q. Einstein, you are assuming a meaning for that smiley, I don't assume meanings for smileys, because I know people who use them in many different ways.

I wont be posting again here. I learnt arguing for the point of arguing is really just pointless.

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