More Important: Ghandi or Einstein?

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:03 am

Now, how about seriously?

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:07 am

Serviceman works well.

mrchapel · Post by **mrchapel** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:46 am

ok I went back and put in a

to signify that it was a joke...
Come on who takes a question like that seriously?

Either way, you seem to have very low job statisfaction Sev. Or is that just a joke? I can't tell because there is no

in your posts.

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:27 am

What the hell are you talking about?

SothThe69th · Post by **SothThe69th** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:30 am

[quote="mrchapel";p="402770"]ok I went back and put in a

to signify that it was a joke...
Come on who takes a question like that seriously?

Either way, you seem to have very low job statisfaction Sev. Or is that just a joke? I can't tell because there is no

in your posts.[/quote]
I get it now, if I append

to my posts, it automatically makes them jokes. Like this

You're a waste of oxygen I could be using to do things, like make fire.

Grumlen · Post by **Grumlen** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:25 am

Deacon, it's the difference in connotation that matters between protect and enforce. To me at least, enforce means that only the people enforcing it want it. Protect means, to me, that the people who want to destroy it are in the minority.

And yes, mrchapel is acting like an idiot and a troll. GO SOTH!

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:05 am

Grumlen, um, you're reading a bit too far into it. Strength used to enforce something doesn't mean it doesn't have popular support. It means that the opposition, no matter how small, is contained by that strength. Hell, murder is pretty much universally agreed to be a bad thing, but without the strength to enforce that law, you cannot prevent it from happening.

Grumlen · Post by **Grumlen** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:10 am

I guess it's a difference of how one sees it. From what I can tell, you're seeing enforcement as being proactive, and I think everyone can agree that protecting something is reactive. Since I see peace as being the default way of things, and it's people that try to disrupt it, then peace is something you protect. After all, aren't laws made to protect the people? Sure you have to enforce them, but only upon those that break them. Thus, enforcement is something done in regards to peoples that don't agree with the law.

But meh, we're getting really off-topic.

mrchapel · Post by **mrchapel** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:09 am

[quote="mrchapel";p="402770"]ok I went back and put in a

to signify that it was a joke...
Come on who takes a question like that seriously?

Either way, you seem to have very low job statisfaction Sev. Or is that just a joke? I can't tell because there is no

in your posts.[/quote]

This is me reacting to the use of emoticons on a different thread and the fact that you seemed to take the question rather seriously... meh call me a troll... thats cool.

The only proactive part about protection given to us by laws is the threat of punishment. How many of you guys want to kill me? Probably a lot. Will you actually do it? Probably (and hopefully for me) not. Why? Because killing me really isn't worth going to jail over. So I am being protected by the laws against murder. Although the actual use of the law is reactive the threat of the use of the law is proactive.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:37 pm

[quote="Grumlen";p="402851"]From what I can tell, you're seeing enforcement as being proactive, and I think everyone can agree that protecting something is reactive[/quote]
Strength, you jackass.

Strength. Strength to protect it. Strength to enforce it when it's not coming naturally. Strength is the only thing capable of maintaining peace.

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:48 pm

DEACON MADE A JOKE

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:03 pm

You know, I agree with Deacon (insert obligatory OMGWTFLOLendoftheworld1111 line here) ... justice? peace? Worthless without the strength to create and to protect them. I think it's a tragedy, but it's also just the way it is.

Grumlen · Post by **Grumlen** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:03 pm

Deacon, I never said that strength wasn't required for peace to exist, at least as long as someone doesn't want that peace. In fact, I mentioned that in my second post, and implied it in my first. I think now that YOU'RE the one who misinterpreting what someone else is saying.

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