Gil Sellers
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Re: Gil Sellers
Been around for a while, never been inclined to post that much, but todays topic made me come out of hiding.
personally i think the ebay/ mmorpg's culture is getting out of hand, coming from AC where in the end when i played it, there were more bots than players, and the ones you did meet were played by newbies who just bought the accounts. Moving on to other games, like coh where the buying is just beginning, im currently still lliving in EVE where the sale/buy culture is pretty high aswell, its still not really messing up my game. but CCP really does not crack down on buy/sellers like they are supposed to.
thing is i dont think there is a way out for this problem, at least no easy ones. All economy driven games will suffer this. unless you have games without money (coh but that is account selling)
i know in eve there are people making their living with playing it, i detest those, but i can see the allure in it.
at least games like magic online does not pretend that they are milking you for money. so know there are a lot of people out there in a lot of games who have this problem.
personally i think the ebay/ mmorpg's culture is getting out of hand, coming from AC where in the end when i played it, there were more bots than players, and the ones you did meet were played by newbies who just bought the accounts. Moving on to other games, like coh where the buying is just beginning, im currently still lliving in EVE where the sale/buy culture is pretty high aswell, its still not really messing up my game. but CCP really does not crack down on buy/sellers like they are supposed to.
thing is i dont think there is a way out for this problem, at least no easy ones. All economy driven games will suffer this. unless you have games without money (coh but that is account selling)
i know in eve there are people making their living with playing it, i detest those, but i can see the allure in it.
at least games like magic online does not pretend that they are milking you for money. so know there are a lot of people out there in a lot of games who have this problem.
It also helps that I only recently got around to re-activating my PayPal account...
Oh, and for no good reason, I feel like pimping my FFXI Firefox extensions: Skillchain Calculator and Vana'diel Clock.
Oh, and for no good reason, I feel like pimping my FFXI Firefox extensions: Skillchain Calculator and Vana'diel Clock.
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Zen, my LS is looking to attempt the Promyvion things fairly soon. I don't have CoP, so I won't be participating, but I doubt they'd turn down another hand. Try getting in touch with Vaelushyn or Hykiri, they're the ringleaders.
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[quote="Gouf_Custom";p="406306"]Zen, my LS is looking to attempt the Promyvion things fairly soon. I don't have CoP, so I won't be participating, but I doubt they'd turn down another hand. Try getting in touch with Vaelushyn or Hykiri, they're the ringleaders.[/quote]
oh? which server Gilgamesh or Caitsith?
oh? which server Gilgamesh or Caitsith?
It's sad that Promyvion seems to require certain jobs. Like RNG and SMN, neither of which I have, much less leveled. The best damage dealer class I have right now is BLM. I guess I could go as a WHM, but I don't know how much they'd need me. A shame, really. But understandable, considering RDM doesn't get really good until high levels, and 30 isn't quite enough for RDM pimpin'.
But back on the topic of gil sellers. XD I luckily haven't encountered them yet, but I hear they camp certain coffers, so now I'm all like "down with IGE!" I wish online petitions worked, cause I'd totally start/sign one.
But back on the topic of gil sellers. XD I luckily haven't encountered them yet, but I hear they camp certain coffers, so now I'm all like "down with IGE!" I wish online petitions worked, cause I'd totally start/sign one.
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[quote="ZenGyro";p="406263"][quote="dmpotter";p="406256"]<hijack>
I haven't tried Garrison since then...
Right now I'm trying to do Promyvion-Holla, and have failed... too many times.
If you want to try and get a group for that (cap is 30), that I'd be interested in.
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I would gladly help you out DM with my ranger...if I had my char on phoenix. Nobody seems to be rather interested in doing any of the Promvyons on Caitsith that I know :/[/quote][quote="V'Lyandra";p="406264"]Well, I'm a level 25 RDM... that's prolly too low for Promyvion, though. In the LS, when anyone asked about Promyvion and how it went, the response was something like "Death-aga". XD[/quote][quote="dmpotter";p="406265"]I haven't noticed RDM being that useful in Promvyion, so I've been using my WHM sub instead </flaunt-66-redmage> instead. And it's too bad Zenny can't help, RNG are very useful (== required) in it.[/quote]
what language is that?
I haven't tried Garrison since then...
Right now I'm trying to do Promyvion-Holla, and have failed... too many times.
If you want to try and get a group for that (cap is 30), that I'd be interested in.
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I would gladly help you out DM with my ranger...if I had my char on phoenix. Nobody seems to be rather interested in doing any of the Promvyons on Caitsith that I know :/[/quote][quote="V'Lyandra";p="406264"]Well, I'm a level 25 RDM... that's prolly too low for Promyvion, though. In the LS, when anyone asked about Promyvion and how it went, the response was something like "Death-aga". XD[/quote][quote="dmpotter";p="406265"]I haven't noticed RDM being that useful in Promvyion, so I've been using my WHM sub instead </flaunt-66-redmage> instead. And it's too bad Zenny can't help, RNG are very useful (== required) in it.[/quote]
what language is that?
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so how many people actually camp these spawns? I'd say, if possible... just ruin their business... get a bigger group to camp the spawns... eventually im sure they would start finding that the trouble of getting the ring would outweigh the benifit of actually getting it... and they would leave. Im guessing people have suggested/are trying this... but i guess ill... suggest it... again? 
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I think you can target both the buyers and sellers in the same way. How?
Now I'm no lawyer, but I think this is how you could argue it:
First of all, the argument of selling "time" is irrelevant, because they still give gil and they still get cash for said gil; if you were to be paid for "time", then giving the gil isn't even necessary...the buyer paid for your "time", not your gil, so why give them the gil unless that was a part of your original agreement?
Think of the ToS/EULA as a contract that was signed when you opened the account (hence, why everybody should read it). You opened the account and agreed to play the game according to the rules set out by the company; doing otherwise is a breach of contract, and your account is therefore subject to closure. After all, it's their policy, and you agreed to it when you clicked the 'Yes' button, right?
Armed with this, all that would need to be done by Square-Enix would be to set up a sting operation like Greg suggested, buying the lowest amount of gil one can and then banning the guy you meet, or the name you see in the Delivery Box. Over time, the business would suffer as it would become increasingly difficult to get people to participate in the practice, and since companies like IGE need to distance themselves from the games they sell currency for so as to avoid legal action, they can't establish an official presence in the game, and would have to shut down operations for that game.
It would certainly work too, and certainly S-E could afford to create a small budget dedicated to stopping this practice (like, if you knew you had 80 accounts to ban that year, and the lowest amount of money for gil was $200, then your budget would be under $20,000 a year, not counting employee salaries, who would just be GMs most likely. It's a relatively small price to pay for continued consumer loyalty). Eventually the sellers would either stop selling their gil to the company, or they'd move onto another game to avoid losing more money.
Basically, what's needed is for someone to take the initiative and crack down on the people engaging in the practice, because if other companies see that there's a company willing to spend just $20,000 a year to keep it's players happy and cheat-free, they might just follow suit.
Now I'm no lawyer, but I think this is how you could argue it:
First of all, the argument of selling "time" is irrelevant, because they still give gil and they still get cash for said gil; if you were to be paid for "time", then giving the gil isn't even necessary...the buyer paid for your "time", not your gil, so why give them the gil unless that was a part of your original agreement?
Think of the ToS/EULA as a contract that was signed when you opened the account (hence, why everybody should read it). You opened the account and agreed to play the game according to the rules set out by the company; doing otherwise is a breach of contract, and your account is therefore subject to closure. After all, it's their policy, and you agreed to it when you clicked the 'Yes' button, right?
Armed with this, all that would need to be done by Square-Enix would be to set up a sting operation like Greg suggested, buying the lowest amount of gil one can and then banning the guy you meet, or the name you see in the Delivery Box. Over time, the business would suffer as it would become increasingly difficult to get people to participate in the practice, and since companies like IGE need to distance themselves from the games they sell currency for so as to avoid legal action, they can't establish an official presence in the game, and would have to shut down operations for that game.
It would certainly work too, and certainly S-E could afford to create a small budget dedicated to stopping this practice (like, if you knew you had 80 accounts to ban that year, and the lowest amount of money for gil was $200, then your budget would be under $20,000 a year, not counting employee salaries, who would just be GMs most likely. It's a relatively small price to pay for continued consumer loyalty). Eventually the sellers would either stop selling their gil to the company, or they'd move onto another game to avoid losing more money.
Basically, what's needed is for someone to take the initiative and crack down on the people engaging in the practice, because if other companies see that there's a company willing to spend just $20,000 a year to keep it's players happy and cheat-free, they might just follow suit.
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Re: Gil Sellers
Lineage has a simmilar problem with gill sellers. It is amplified many-fold my the fact that there are MILLIONS of korean players and a simmilar number of players from impovrished asian nations. This adds up to there being literal wall to wall farmers. You can't swing a dead cat and not hit an asain farming adena.
The big players have basically unlimited amounts of manpower to get the adena. A small group of us on a few L2 servers were pulling 100's of millions of adena daily out of adena farming companies for a while using scams. Several of the smaller ones did stop selling for a while on those servers, but the it had NO impact on large ones like IGE. They are the ones in control of the high-end market. They can buy up cheaper sellers adena and manipulate the market into a favorable position for themselves. You can not beat them short of the game company actively defending the ingame economy.
There is really no excuse for square or ncsoft to lose control of their game. They have the servers and all the associative data contained within. They can use the data contained in them to data mine for people transfering adena to people they have never had an association with repedidly. EQ, DaOC and other MMO devs have written papers on ingame economics and datamining to catch this sort of thing. Largely this is a demon that game companies create thru inaction and only gets worse with time.
The big players have basically unlimited amounts of manpower to get the adena. A small group of us on a few L2 servers were pulling 100's of millions of adena daily out of adena farming companies for a while using scams. Several of the smaller ones did stop selling for a while on those servers, but the it had NO impact on large ones like IGE. They are the ones in control of the high-end market. They can buy up cheaper sellers adena and manipulate the market into a favorable position for themselves. You can not beat them short of the game company actively defending the ingame economy.
There is really no excuse for square or ncsoft to lose control of their game. They have the servers and all the associative data contained within. They can use the data contained in them to data mine for people transfering adena to people they have never had an association with repedidly. EQ, DaOC and other MMO devs have written papers on ingame economics and datamining to catch this sort of thing. Largely this is a demon that game companies create thru inaction and only gets worse with time.
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Re: Gil Sellers
At the risk of being lynched im wondering if anyone has actualy bothered sending a message to an admin about this. I know for a fact that in Asherons Call 2 when you message an admin about something like this they get on it within a few hours, if not within the hour. I mean comon there has to some sort of ingame monitor that could look in and check the situation out. Also if the campers are dragging mobs over and then letting them attack you that in the asherons call terms also constitutes a violation as it is a direct attempt to ruin the experience for someone. Just take a screen shot or something of this happening and send it to them. Heck take like 5 of them and they should do something about it.
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