Bush cheats his way through public debates?

Teranfirbt · Post by **Teranfirbt** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:05 pm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/12 ... _coaching/

Dunno what to say.. If it's true, I'll most certainly vote against Bush, that's a pretty stupid thing to do, and says to the kiddies that "Cheating is OK".... If it's not true, I dunno...

*BBB* ZERO · Post by *BBB* ZERO » Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:27 pm

I remember drudge report reporting on kerry taking something out of his jacket during the first debate and even writing notes during the debate.

Besides, isn't that report all opinion?

SewardSaint · Post by **SewardSaint** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:42 pm

I personally don't think either of them cheated. If either of them did, it would be all over the news and not just speculation.

kane37 · Post by **kane37** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:59 pm

In what way did Bush cheat in the debates? I would really like this clarified. Unless laying into the shitty voteing record of Kerry is cheating, than I think bush did a fine job in the debates.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:12 pm

The Register has a long history of hating Bush, and their points are examples of people really reaching for something--anything--they can possibly think of to try to smear him. The whole thing makes *no sense* at all. Have any of you ever tried to talk to someone face to face while you're also on the phone and paying attention to the person on the phone and trying to process what they're saying?

Teranfirbt · Post by **Teranfirbt** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:13 pm

Yes, I have.. It fails miserably..

Rembrandt Q. Einstein · Post by **Rembrandt Q. Einstein** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:15 pm

He's lied through his teeth, but I don't think he's cheated.

You poor, misled Conservatives would crack me up if it didn't scare me so much. Kerry's voting record has been mangled by the Bush campaign team, his "flip-flopping" stance on Iraq is completely fabricated from out-of-context quotes, his tax increase voting record is just plain wrong, and in every other case, it's foolish to judge a man's stance on something by seeing what he voted against since there are any number of reasons why he would vote against a bill.

So can we please not ever bing this up again?
Ever?

Dr. Tower · Post by **Dr. Tower** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:19 pm

The thought is that Bush may have been coached by advisors by way of a wireless radio. That is how they think Bush may have cheated, if you would have bothered to read the article, or even the article name for that matter. I sincerely doubt that he did cheat though. If you're going to carry a wireless radio, it doesn't have to be nearly as big as the picture makes the possible "box" look, and I wouldn't wear it there either. I would place it in the small of the back rather than the upper back.

randomperson2 · Post by **randomperson2** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:32 pm

I know kerrys voting record. Kerry is a liberal in fact Kerry is UBER-liberal. I personally disagree with most of what he says thats why I am not voting for him, it has nothing to do with propaganda.

Dark Nexus · Post by **Dark Nexus** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:05 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="408613"]The Register has a long history of hating Bush, and their points are examples of people really reaching for something--anything--they can possibly think of to try to smear him. The whole thing makes *no sense* at all. Have any of you ever tried to talk to someone face to face while you're also on the phone and paying attention to the person on the phone and trying to process what they're saying?[/quote]

The Register is not the only, or the first place to run with that story. Actually, they're about a week behind.

Salon.com ran an article last Friday, and NYTimes has a short article regarding the White House's response to the article. First mention of the subject I've been able to find with a short search is Monday LAST week (though hardly a reliable source). Sorry, but you can't pin this on The Reg's hatred of Bush. That may be why THEY ran it, but they're nowhere near the source on it.

Now having said that, it does still seem a little odd and a bit of a stretch. Mind you, so does the reasoning the White House gave.

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:32 pm

[quote="randomperson2";p="408628"]I know kerrys voting record. Kerry is a liberal in fact Kerry is UBER-liberal. I personally disagree with most of what he says thats why I am not voting for him, it has nothing to do with propaganda.[/quote]
That's surprisingly refreshing to hear... a conservative (I assume) who votes against Kerry for reasons other than the nonsense propoganda that he's a "flip-flopper" simply because he has relatively subtle views. Yay for not falling for propoganda like so many others...

On topic... It'd be quite possible and helpful for Bush to have had some coaching through a radio. Someone could have fed him entire lines, or just quickly helped him out when he appeared to be stuck. I'm not saying it happened (those pictures look rather suspicious given the advanced level of miniaturized wireless technology we have available to us these days), but it's rather ridiculous to assert that having a little voice speaking into his ear wouldn't have helped Bush out a lot.

SewardSaint · Post by **SewardSaint** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:15 pm

You poor, misled Conservatives would crack me up if it didn't scare me so much. Kerry's voting record has been mangled by the Bush campaign team, his "flip-flopping" stance on Iraq is completely fabricated from out-of-context quotes, his tax increase voting record is just plain wrong, and in every other case, it's foolish to judge a man's stance on something by seeing what he voted against since there are any number of reasons why he would vote against a bill.

Poor misled conservatives?

Kerry's voting record has been

Has been at best scattered and condescending.

"flip-flopping" stance on Iraq is completely fabricated from out-of-context quotes

This is false. Remember "I voted for the 25.8 billion before I voted against it." John Kerry. He told us Iraq was a threat and we needed to go in and disarm Sadam. Now he is campaigning that that was a bad idea. His "flip-flopping" is his own doing. The Bush campaign has simply highlighted his mistakes.

it's foolish to judge a man's stance on something by seeing what he voted

This is a very good judge of a man, especially of a senator wanting to be president.

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:00 pm

This is false. Remember "I voted for the 25.8 billion before I voted against it." John Kerry. He told us Iraq was a threat and we needed to go in and disarm Sadam. Now he is campaigning that that was a bad idea. His "flip-floppig" is his own doing. The Bush campaign has simply highlighted his mistakes.

Agh. This is what I mean by propoganda vs. subtlety. He believed Saddam was a threat, but did not believe the US should have gone in without significantly more support from the international community. He believed that it was a mistake to go into Iraq so early, but voted to give the President that power because he believed it was power that the President should have in such a situation. A lot of people are too dense, deliberately or otherwise, to realize that subtlety != flip flopping.

Not that we need to turn this into a Kerry debate, but seriously... believing everything you're told by the Shiny Cool Republican Party isn't exactly going to get you a remotely objective view of the situation.

SewardSaint · Post by **SewardSaint** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:52 pm

Not that we need to turn this into a Kerry debate, but seriously... believing everything you're told by the Shiny Cool Republican Party isn't exactly going to get you a remotely objective view of the situation.

This works both ways. The problem with the propaganda arguement is that the Democrats have the majority of it. Did we have to have international support to remove Sadam? Ignoring the answer to my previous question; wether the international community supported us or not, we were going to remove him anyway.

Also today, right before O'reily on the radio, I heard a report saying Sadam had WMD's and only had to "start up the program again."

Killer-Rabbit · Post by **Killer-Rabbit** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:05 am

[quote="SewardSaint";p="408746"]Also today, right before O'reily on the radio, I heard a report saying Sadam had WMD's and only had to "start up the program again."[/quote]
Right...because the guy on the radio clearly knows more about the program than the guys that investigated it for a year or two...

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