Why don't you care of your own problems first you as****?

[lifedeath]

Have you heard that?

USA gave the name "Republic of Macedonia" to Skopia (known as FYROM)

WHAT THE FUCK....
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO NAME BY YOURSELF ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH OUR NAMES...

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Now that this is out of the way, let me give the unknowers a lesson.

This is greece...



The red place is called Macedonia, and it is a part of greece for years and years and years...

Upper Greece, there was a country Yugoslavia, when it was splitted the southern part wanted the name "Macedonia" as their own. This created for years such a problem that even some worldwide maps showed the WHOLE district to be theirs...
For the rest years the country is named after FYROM... (m for Macedonia)...but their true name is Scopia (Skopje...i dunno how you spell it)

And NOW, AMERICANS COME out of nowwhere and give OUR name by their own to the other country...

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IDIOTS
STUPIDS...

ARGGGGGGGG...

I WANNA KICK BUSH TO THE NUTS....

[Seraphim]

I remember hearing about the Macedonia problem in a government class last year. I believe the analogy was such that, Macedonia is like an annoying little brother. Always copying and annoying Greece, because they're not big enough for a fight.

[Azurain]

Which is ironic if you know the history of the ancient world...

lifedeath, I could be wrong, but I think that perhaps the USA just named them that for their own records, rather than making some sort of official proclamation that everybody else should name them that. Which isn't really so bad.

[Deacon]

lifedeath, I hope you understand that I harbor no personal dislike or grudge against you, but it may be wise to stick to other areas of this forum in general. You do the rest of the world, especially Europe, a disservice when you post here. You sound like an ignorant 8th grader here in the US trying to carry on discussions about federal deficit spending...

[Seraphim]

If the rest of the world started keeping America on the records as shit land, I think you would become a tad belligerant. Stop trolling.

[Rorschach]

*ahem*
Maybe you'd be better pointing out where LD has gone wrong, Deacon? That would be somewhat more constructive than just telling her she's stupid
I doubt the Greek for 'Greece' is 'Greece', LD, doesn't mean we're changing the name of the country or anything
(What is the Greek for 'Greece'?)

[Kits]

Just because she isn't as eloquent as you, Deacon, doesn't mean that she has no right to an opinion. Especially one about where she's from.

[GoalieIDS]

Here's a little CNN link for you all on the topic. Doesn't go into a WHOLE lot of detail though. Nor does it say who actually "recognized" the name from the US.

Note that:

Macedonia is a member of the U.S.-led military alliance in Iraq.

Not sure if that has anything to do with the decision to recognize the name or not, but let the conspiracies fly.

[MissCheetah]

Both "N. Korea" and "S. Korea" do not use those names for their countries.
The Spanish do not call their country "Spain".
Many people around the world do not call the US by the same name we do either.
We all do not even call the world oceans by the same names.

Picking a name for a country or region that is different than what that contry calls itself is common and normal. Heck few people in the world have the ability to read and pronoucnce all the country names in the original languages.

In this case, it looks like a classic situation of giving a pronounceable name to a country so that English speakers how what/where it is. It is not like they grabbed it out of nowhere.

It is NOT that the US "renamed" something and that becomes the permanant new name anymore than we would expect to rename the US when other cultures call it by a different name that suits their language.

Because lifedeath did not explain, FYROM stands for Former Yugoslave Republic of Macedonia. She fully admits that has been the commonly used name for that region in current times and she seems to accept that name.

How is it wrong for people to shorten it and call it "Republic of Macedonia"? That is NOT a new name and was not given by the US if her post is accurate.


EDIT:
I have been looking up a bit more on the issue.

Seems the US and most international organizations still call it FYROM. The term Republic of Macedonia seems to mostly be used by Turkey.

Checking the CIA World Factbook for 2004 backs this up. The US still calls it FYROM.

From fact-index.com

"The state's name remains a source of local and international controversy. Internationally, the republic is known exclusively as FYROM in political and cultural organizations, notably the United Nations, the European Union, the European Broadcasting Union, NATO and the International Olympic Committee among others. Most diplomats are accredited to the republic using the FYROM designation. The usage of each name remains controversial to supporters of the other. A few countries, notably Turkey, refer to the state as the Republic of Macedonia, rather than FYROM. A permanent agreement on how the Macedonian republic should be referred to internationally has not yet been reached. "


Checking the US State Department web site show that according to official US policy there is NO short form of FYROM. LINK HERE

[SewardSaint]

[quote="lifedeath";p="418761"]i dunno how you spell it)[/quote]

I don't think you know how to spell much of anything.

[Rorschach]

Jump off the bandwagon, n00b.
I guarantee that lifedeath's English is better than your Greek
Jesus, what price manners?

[SewardSaint]

[quote="Rorschach";p="418861"]I guarantee that lifedeath's English is better than your Greek[/quote]

Is that a 'money back' guarantee?

[Bigity]

It's apparently moot anyway, as Miss Cheetah's research has shown.

[lifedeath]

I don't believe you understand, or ever understand the issue.

This a major issue for over a decade. It's not that they are naming for themselves something, it's that they try to "steal" the greek history and make it their own. It's true that they are a newly created country (according to other countries) and they need a history, but they are just trying for years to steal the greek one. They try to make the issue that Macedonia isn't part of Greece and it's just another Country, and that that country it's theirs...

For god's sace, in some maps the whole area (Macedonia and Skopia-FYROM) is shown that it is one country. A false idea created after years of propaganda.

AND NOW, america comes and gives them more weapons...

AND IT IS A BIG DEAL.
For your concerne, from the moment it was "decided" a huge outrage has taken Greece, the goverment from the first time is trying to "make it better".

And all that for whome, because an idiot decided to decide about an issue NOT HIS OWN.

Don't tell me this is nothing. IT'S BIG SOMETHING.

As for my english...i was mostly instulting, where have you found the english?

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As for why i call it FYROM, it's not that i accept it, it's because the world mostly knows it for this name and not Skopia(which here we all call it that way). I'm not accepting it, i'm translating it.

[GoalieIDS]

Did Bush make the declaration? Do we have any idea who made this "official"?