I notice the same people tend to end posts with an insult, which is somehow supposed to lend the content credibility? I guess?
I'm not over there, so I don't know who's doing what. I think the terrorist handle fits, or at least is stuck, because these people, or at least all the groups I have heard of, are loyal to the Saddam regime, and he was nothing if not a terrorist.
Recent "unarmed" Iraqi shot
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No, Sadam was a despot, which implies the use of terror in rule, not a terrorist.
"He who lives by the sword dies by my arrow."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
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I'd think raping mothers in front of sons, and daughters in front of fathers, would qualify as the acts of a terrorist. But that's just me.
No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. -- Calvin Coolidge
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
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So do Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Pinochet all count as terrorists, too?
"He who lives by the sword dies by my arrow."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
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Hell yes.
No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. -- Calvin Coolidge
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Re: Recent "unarmed" Iraqi shot
clarification link:
An Inventory of Iraqi Resistance Groups
the page starts with politic/rebel groups - these are the groups that we have most info about, since they act out in the open
you be the judge
another moral question btw. if you were a soldier in battle, do you think you wouldcare if the man infront of you is a "rebbel" or "terrorist" ?
and (to bring the discussion back on track) is it ok to confirm a kill on a rebbel ? what about a terrorist ?
An Inventory of Iraqi Resistance Groups
the page starts with politic/rebel groups - these are the groups that we have most info about, since they act out in the open
you be the judge
another moral question btw. if you were a soldier in battle, do you think you wouldcare if the man infront of you is a "rebbel" or "terrorist" ?
and (to bring the discussion back on track) is it ok to confirm a kill on a rebbel ? what about a terrorist ?
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What do you mean by confirm?
If I were down there fighting, and someone was trying to end my life, I wouldn't care if he were a priest, a nun, a clown, or even a kid.
People don't go over there to fight in order to kill people you know.
If I were down there fighting, and someone was trying to end my life, I wouldn't care if he were a priest, a nun, a clown, or even a kid.
People don't go over there to fight in order to kill people you know.
No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. -- Calvin Coolidge
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Just to clarify... I'm not debating whether or not these soldiers are in the right, whether or not they're good men, or any such. I don't know. It's not a subject I've researched in depth enough to have any real idea.
What I'm arguing is the utterly ridiculous suggestion that everyone who fights against the USA in Iraq is a terrorist. Your article, CyberEd, demonstrated rather thoroughly that the primary resistance groups do not engage in terrorist activities. I don't know if they're in the right, though I can sympathise somewhat with how they might view the occupation. But it's clear that they are by no means all terrorists.
Now, on terrorists... A despot, a tyrant, a dictator... these are not terrorists. They tend, in fact, to be worse than terrorists, but it is useless to try to call them such. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant. He was not a terrorist. He was worse. A terrorist isn't just "someone who does bad things to people he doesn't like." Trying to broaden the definition of terrorist only makes the situation more confusing and difficult. We already know what terrorists are, what insurgents are, what war criminals are, what despots are. A man's actions are no worse if you call him a terrorist than they are if you call him what he accurately is. It's just foolish propoganda to dull the minds of the public into believing in the inane 'good guy/bad guy' dichotomy that governments just love to pull.
And I generally only insult those I consider to be acting stupidly. I rarely insult anyone who conducts himself in an intelligent, reasonable manner, regardless of whether or not he agrees or disagrees with me. It's those who persist in using emotionalism or propoganda as a crutch instead of thinking for themselves who I insult, and that's not likely to change. Nor should it.
What I'm arguing is the utterly ridiculous suggestion that everyone who fights against the USA in Iraq is a terrorist. Your article, CyberEd, demonstrated rather thoroughly that the primary resistance groups do not engage in terrorist activities. I don't know if they're in the right, though I can sympathise somewhat with how they might view the occupation. But it's clear that they are by no means all terrorists.
Now, on terrorists... A despot, a tyrant, a dictator... these are not terrorists. They tend, in fact, to be worse than terrorists, but it is useless to try to call them such. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant. He was not a terrorist. He was worse. A terrorist isn't just "someone who does bad things to people he doesn't like." Trying to broaden the definition of terrorist only makes the situation more confusing and difficult. We already know what terrorists are, what insurgents are, what war criminals are, what despots are. A man's actions are no worse if you call him a terrorist than they are if you call him what he accurately is. It's just foolish propoganda to dull the minds of the public into believing in the inane 'good guy/bad guy' dichotomy that governments just love to pull.
And I generally only insult those I consider to be acting stupidly. I rarely insult anyone who conducts himself in an intelligent, reasonable manner, regardless of whether or not he agrees or disagrees with me. It's those who persist in using emotionalism or propoganda as a crutch instead of thinking for themselves who I insult, and that's not likely to change. Nor should it.
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This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
Bigity, sorry... it's a poor translation from hebrew (though I was quite sure it also existed in english... maybe you don't know it because you weren't in the army...)
confirming a kill is shooting a disabled enemy (i.e. surrended prisoner or wounded man) usualy in the head, point blank, to MAKE sure he's dead. usualy done after the battle is over. this is what the soldier in this threads topic actually did
confirming a kill is shooting a disabled enemy (i.e. surrended prisoner or wounded man) usualy in the head, point blank, to MAKE sure he's dead. usualy done after the battle is over. this is what the soldier in this threads topic actually did
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Well, as far as your comments on insulting go, it's hard to be righteous when you are falling to the same level. Just a FYI.
No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. -- Calvin Coolidge
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
[quote="Bigity";p="427118"]Well, as far as your comments on insulting go, it's hard to be righteous when you are falling to the same level. Just a FYI.[/quote]
How is observing stupidity "falling to the same level" as being subject to the whims of propoganda and patently unable to observe a situation without loads of emotionalist nonsense? The whole "if you insult me you're as bad as I am" bullshit is just that. Bullshit.
How is observing stupidity "falling to the same level" as being subject to the whims of propoganda and patently unable to observe a situation without loads of emotionalist nonsense? The whole "if you insult me you're as bad as I am" bullshit is just that. Bullshit.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
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Whatever.
No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave. -- Calvin Coolidge
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
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Ok. And? So far I see nothing wrong with what occured.
Before anyone goes landblasting for cruelty, go out and get yourself shot (not shot AT, actually shot) then come back and start arguing. Until then, you cannot relate to the experience and your arguments will be ignored.
Before anyone goes landblasting for cruelty, go out and get yourself shot (not shot AT, actually shot) then come back and start arguing. Until then, you cannot relate to the experience and your arguments will be ignored.
I don't care who's right, who's wrong, or what you meant to say. Only thing I care about is the Truth. If you have it, good, share it. If not, find it. If you want to argue, do it with someone else.
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Get shot AND have to play guessing games about bombs hidden on the bodies of the enemy who play possum to get you close enough to blow you and your buddies up.
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
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