A simple question about the Bible.

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Post by Hidden Sanity » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:40 pm

Basically, most of those laws about what to eat/wear/ect were health concerns, and for a fun fact, Orthodox Jews (The strictest branch) have the lowest instance of health problems then any other Religious group, other groups that eat Kosher are next in line.
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Post by Azurain » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:21 pm

Not that we need to turn this into a debate, but... if "God" decides to put some healthy eating advice in his holy book but instead of being honest about it and saying "hey, don't eat this shit, it's bad for you" he says "this shit is ABOMINATION" ... he's not a very upright guy now is he? :P
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Post by SothThe69th » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:27 pm

[quote="Azurain";p="430203"]Not that we need to turn this into a debate, but... if "God" decides to put some healthy eating advice in his holy book but instead of being honest about it and saying "hey, don't eat this shit, it's bad for you" he says "this shit is ABOMINATION" ... he's not a very upright guy now is he? :P[/quote]
You're talking about a guy who flooded the earth to get rid of bad people. I wouldn't really listen to anything he said.
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Post by Phoenix Talon » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:46 pm

[quote="MrFixit";p="429921"]There is a reference to "allowing your seed to fall on fallow ground" somewhere in Acts I, I think. This refers to, I would guess, a womans womb being fertile (the opposite of fallow) and was used by the church in the sixties to object the pill, because in their view, if a woman cannot get pregnant, than she is no longer fertile and becomes fallow. So according to the bible it is a sin to ejaculate anywhere except the womb. Which curtails a great deal of fun for a lot of people...[/quote]

I know the sotry of Owan is where the 'spilling of seed upon the ground' comes from. It's said be be condeming masturbation...but another version says it's condeming not fufilling the jewish tradition of impregnating you're sister-in-law right after she marries your brother...
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Post by Deacon » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:13 am

[quote="SothThe69th";p="430209"]You're talking about a guy who flooded the earth to get rid of bad people. I wouldn't really listen to anything he said.[/quote]
How dare he be so efficient and thorough? :P
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Post by SothThe69th » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:32 am

[quote="Deacon";p="430234"][quote="SothThe69th";p="430209"]You're talking about a guy who flooded the earth to get rid of bad people. I wouldn't really listen to anything he said.[/quote]
How dare he be so efficient and thorough? :P[/quote]
How dare he be such a dick is more like it. He probably didn't even ask Zeus what he thought of it, or Odin, Krishna, or hell, even Cthulhu (Though he would've been down for it. Fuck humanity.)
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Post by Blaze » Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:09 am

How dare he be such a dick is more like it. He probably didn't even ask Zeus what he thought of it, or Odin, Krishna, or hell, even Cthulhu (Though he would've been down for it. Fuck humanity.)
That was in the days before Christ. You know how having a child can soften your heart. :P
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Post by SothThe69th » Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:16 am

[quote="Blaze";p="430312"]
How dare he be such a dick is more like it. He probably didn't even ask Zeus what he thought of it, or Odin, Krishna, or hell, even Cthulhu (Though he would've been down for it. Fuck humanity.)
That was in the days before Christ. You know how having a child can soften your heart. :P[/quote]
Yeah, but here's the thing, he was an asshole even when Christ came around, after all, the Virgin Mary was MARRIED to Joseph, and God comes along and is all "WHACKABAM BEEYOTCH". And to think, then he has the balls to tell us not to covet our neighbors wife. Fuck that noise.
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Post by StruckingFuggle » Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:40 am

And then he had the son specifically to torture and kill him instead of just forgiving the sins he helped us bring upon us.

I've never really understood that. Not even just the sin thing, but the whole why he had to concieve a son and then kill him to forgive those sins. How is this supposed to make us appreciate the forgiveness of sins? "I hurt him because I love you!"
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Post by SothThe69th » Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:49 am

To be precise, Jesus hurt himself because he loved you, at least, that's what the Christians around here would say. But yeah, God's a dick.
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Post by StruckingFuggle » Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:58 am

So, God's a sadomasochist with, among other things, multiple personality disorder?

For some reason I can see Jesus in leather on the cross, now. With a ball-gag.
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Post by Blaze » Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:06 am

You're lucky lightning storms don't usually form in winter, Fuggle. :P
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Post by TheTallest » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:09 am

The fact that the bible was written by man always made me skeptical of the whole subject.
Plus like others said there has to be better ways of teaching people, you know like a note rather than flooding the world..........
Does that mean we all stem from Noah and his wife?
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Post by SothThe69th » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:51 am

[quote="TheTallest";p="430468"]Does that mean we all stem from Noah and his wife?
eeewwwwww inbreeding[/quote]

Adam and Eve is more like it. Further, I believe that Noah brought human company than just his wife along, though I'm rusty on my bible stories.
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Post by CyberEd » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:05 pm

[quote="Azurain";p="430203"]Not that we need to turn this into a debate, but... if "God" decides to put some healthy eating advice in his holy book but instead of being honest about it and saying "hey, don't eat this shit, it's bad for you" he says "this shit is ABOMINATION" ... he's not a very upright guy now is he? :P[/quote]
Az - when god gave the 10 commandments to the jews the people said "we will DO and hear" when the people settled down in knaan(modern israel) they said "we will hear, THEN we do" (poor poor translation...)
some things that are commanded in the bible are things you should first do, and understand them later (if at all) - thus, do and then hear.
some things are for you to understand, and then follow "hear and then do"
do you think a man in the year 1248 could grasp the meaning of germs ?


[quote="Phoenix Talon";p="430215"][quote="MrFixit";p="429921"]There is a reference to "allowing your seed to fall on fallow ground" somewhere in Acts I, I think. This refers to, I would guess, a womans womb being fertile (the opposite of fallow) and was used by the church in the sixties to object the pill, because in their view, if a woman cannot get pregnant, than she is no longer fertile and becomes fallow. So according to the bible it is a sin to ejaculate anywhere except the womb. Which curtails a great deal of fun for a lot of people...[/quote]

I know the sotry of Owan is where the 'spilling of seed upon the ground' comes from. It's said be be condeming masturbation...but another version says it's condeming not fufilling the jewish tradition of impregnating you're sister-in-law right after she marries your brother...[/quote]
:shock: excuse me ?!
care to elaborate about that tradition ? where you heard about it ? and what exactly it is ?
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