A simple question about the Bible.

R.Bloodgood · Post by **R.Bloodgood** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:28 pm

On that last part. The story was that one brother died before he had any kids. In the Old Testament, children were a kind of immortality, since a part of you lives on in your children. So the dead guy's brother was expected to finish what the dead guy started. But the brother didn't want the dead guy getting credit for his kids, so to speak, and pulled out early. So God says "You asshole," and smote him royally. I think there were like two or three other brothers that kept doing this, until the last one actually did the deed.

Please note that my knowledge of this passage is left over from a boring Theology class 4 years ago, so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

PS: Something to remember is that the languages the Bible was written in were high context languages, meaning that you were expected to have a great deal of background knowledge. English is an extremely low context language, so the translations are never very accurate, unless you get some footnotes explaining all the obscure referances. Throw in the fact that the Bible is one gigantic obscure referance, and that's a hell of a lot of footnotes.

Kits · Post by **Kits** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:30 pm

[quote="SothThe69th";p="430476"][quote="TheTallest";p="430468"]Does that mean we all stem from Noah and his wife?
eeewwwwww inbreeding[/quote]

Adam and Eve is more like it. Further, I believe that Noah brought human company than just his wife along, though I'm rusty on my bible stories.[/quote]

IIRC, he brought all his sons and their wives along [and we know how prolific families were back then]. Not sure about his daughters, I think they got to sink or swim like the rest of the world.

naval_aviator_2040 · Post by **naval_aviator_2040** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:05 pm

ir you really look into it, God has this propensity for changing his/her mind a lot. when moses was leading the isrealites out of the desert god got mad at them and wanted to destroy them quite a few times but moses always talked him/her down. also, in one of the gospel's there is a story about (i think it is paul) walking in the woods and God, seeing that he needs to eat, gives him some food. now this food was what would have been considered "unclean" so he refused. Gods reply was basically, shut up you moron i prepared it for you its fine. so you see, if God Changes his/her mind so often, why wouldn't He/She change it about homosexuality? What's to stop God from taking another side?

R.Bloodgood · Post by **R.Bloodgood** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:23 pm

He hasn't yet, so don't jump the gun. Unless you enjoy being smited. (smote? smoted?) We haven't seen God smite anyone recently, but that doesn't mean that God's hung up the Smiting Hammer.

In case you hadn't noticed, I like the word "smite." "Smote" is even better.

Post by **Blaze** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:02 pm

[quote="KitsuneMusume";p="430566"][quote="SothThe69th";p="430476"][quote="TheTallest";p="430468"]Does that mean we all stem from Noah and his wife?
eeewwwwww inbreeding[/quote]

Adam and Eve is more like it. Further, I believe that Noah brought human company than just his wife along, though I'm rusty on my bible stories.[/quote]

IIRC, he brought all his sons and their wives along [and we know how prolific families were back then]. Not sure about his daughters, I think they got to sink or swim like the rest of the world.[/quote]

Also of note, when it says he flooded the world, the words "land" and "world" were exceptionally interchangable back then. And science research shows at one point around when Noah would've existed, there was a massive storm, the seas in that area broke their banks, and flowed into the mediteranian. It would've taken about 65% of the inhabited world at that point with it. The "whole world" was flooding.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:08 pm

Yeah, it's funny how this God who created the whole world and everyone in it is only concerned with and only really shows up in a tiny corner of where Europe and Asia bump together until people started spreading him around.

Which is an interesting question, where was the Messiah for the asians, or the people of this hemisphere? Wasn't the Old Testament God rather fond of smiting people who didn't listen to his messengers after a while?

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:09 pm

[quote="CyberEd";p="430478"][quote="Phoenix Talon";p="430215"]the jewish tradition of impregnating you're sister-in-law right after she marries your brother...[/quote]

excuse me ?!
care to elaborate about that tradition ? where you heard about it ? and what exactly it is ?[/quote]
Those crazy Jews are always a barrel of laughs!

Post by **Blaze** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:21 pm

Yeah, it's funny how this God who created the whole world and everyone in it is only concerned with and only really shows up in a tiny corner of where Europe and Asia bump together until people started spreading him around.

Tiny Corner?

Uhh... No. Jeaudism and later Christianity were spread through out the WHOLE of the Roman Empire.

THE ENTIRE KNOWN EARTH AT THE TIME.

Get your facts straight before you go questioning things, moron.

R.Bloodgood · Post by **R.Bloodgood** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:26 pm

What he's saying is "known to whom?"

Post by **Blaze** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:32 pm

Known to everybody. It's the Roman Empire.

R.Bloodgood · Post by **R.Bloodgood** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:35 pm

Okay, I'll explain the objection.

Take your use of the phrase "Known World." Why does it only include the world known to certain people? For example. The native Americans knew America was here. Why aren't they included?

Hidden Sanity · Post by **Hidden Sanity** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:54 pm

But in many ways they were, do you seriously need someone with a book to come and tell you that there's a God? many natives had God revealed to them through Nature.

Post by **Blaze** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:55 pm

Fact: Those who've not heard the word of God will not have that held against them.

Hidden Sanity · Post by **Hidden Sanity** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:58 pm

Well, I'll pretty much agree on Blaze with that one.

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:12 pm

Wait, the Roman Empire was large, but it really didn't ever encompass enough of the world to be considered 'known to everyone'. Hell, it never went past the Parthian Empire to the East (whose cavalry and such the Romans simply weren't prepared to face). That leaves, well, a whole fucking lot of land and well populated areas that never had any real exposure to the Romans. Or most of Africa? The Romans only ever controlled the north African coast.

Now, Blaze, before you go calling people who are significantly more intelligent than you 'morons' you might want to actually learn some history, or stop talking out of your ass.

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