A simple question about the Bible.

Post by **Martin Blank** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:31 pm

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="431910"]Hasn't at least the Pope basically gone "bullshit" on that idea?[/quote]
And so have pretty much every other. But it's a reasonable view to take.

Or you can follow the point that Deacon made, and believe that all the people living in the Kalahari desert and on islands in the Pacific, among others, prior to the Rennaissance that had never had any meeting with the Judeo-Christian philosophy are damned to hell just because missionaries took centuries to reach them.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:33 pm

CRAP. I "Edited" my post so I could copy-n-paste the relevant portions as a new reply to YH's post, but then I got ahead of myself and just hit "Submit". Crap crap crap.

The jist of my original post is that the whole "other fold" stuff refers to including gentiles in addition to Jews. Gah. I wish I hadn't screwed that post up.

YH · Post by YH » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:35 pm

That's okay, take your time again

I was more worried about the "some other way" of the "robbers and thieves". I still wonder what that implies.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:39 pm

[quote="Martin Blank";p="432108"]Or you can follow the point that Deacon made, and believe that all the people living in the Kalahari desert and on islands in the Pacific, among others, prior to the Rennaissance that had never had any meeting with the Judeo-Christian philosophy are damned to hell just because missionaries took centuries to reach them.[/quote]
Got hostility?

Posted Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:41 pm:

[quote="YH";p="432116"]That's okay, take your time again

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Bah...maybe when I have more time

I was more worried about the "some other way" of the "robbers and thieves". I still wonder what that implies.

[quote="Deacon";p="432056"]

More significantly is "some other way". Now what does that mean?

...any way other than through Christ Jesus.[/quote]
I think He made that pretty clear, really.

YH · Post by YH » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:41 pm

ROBBERS AND THIEVES I TELL YOU! ROBBERS AND THIEVES!

Just joking.

Seriously though, I don't think He made what the "other way" clear enough. It would be rational if Jesus implied that if you had cheated your way through.... but other religions aren't cheating, are they?

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 7:44 pm

And so have pretty much every other. But it's a reasonable view to take.

Oh, I didn't say it's a possibly reasonable view to take. Just that you can't at least be a Catholic and subscribe to it... and the Bible does also seem to oppose that idea. It's one quote so far that could possibly be taken to say "all religons are different versions and ways to Me", but it doesn't seem likely given other biblical quotes, including ones from the mouth of Jesus, so its none of that "oh, that's before everything changed" stuff.

Nekra · Post by **Nekra** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:26 pm

at all times that it is not being observed my left hand is made of green cheese.

compiled might be right, i knew 200 years came in somewhere. the biggest problem i see is that the bible has been rewriten, re translated and re analysed quite a few times in the past 2k years. so as far aa i'm concerned nothing in there can be considered accurate without collaborating evidence. whats more there have supposed to have been found written accounts of other people who have tales very similar to the story of jesus. apparently stemming back form i think it was julius ceaser who once claimed he was both man and a god, although he probably got the idea from the egyptions who probably got it from somewhere. maybe the aliens who helped to build the pyramids.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:54 pm

[quote="YH";p="432118"]Seriously though, I don't think He made what the "other way" clear enough.[/quote]
Unless you interpret "Me" as "anything" when Jesus said, "...no one comes to the Father but through Me," I can see no basis for your doubts.

KuKluxDave · Post by **KuKluxDave** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:55 pm

The bible is one crazy book!!!!!!!

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:14 pm

Thank you for your deep, meaningful, and useful contribution.

Swíþ-wulf · Post by **Swíþ-wulf** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:54 pm

[quote="Nekra";p="432201"]at all times that it is not being observed my left hand is made of green cheese.

compiled might be right, i knew 200 years came in somewhere. the biggest problem i see is that the bible has been rewriten, re translated and re analysed quite a few times in the past 2k years. so as far aa i'm concerned nothing in there can be considered accurate without collaborating evidence. whats more there have supposed to have been found written accounts of other people who have tales very similar to the story of jesus. apparently stemming back form i think it was julius ceaser who once claimed he was both man and a god, although he probably got the idea from the egyptions who probably got it from somewhere. maybe the aliens who helped to build the pyramids.

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The concept of a part man, part god is not rare, and I think I can safely say that all cultures have some sort of way for man to unite with the divine, whatever the divine may be (I may be incorrect in joining the concept of 'demigod' and theosis, but personally I think they have a relationship.) From a purely historical standpoint, if I had to pin some religious phenomena to the popularity or creation of the story of Christ I would pick the concept of being 'resurrected' and life springing from death (not in a circle-of-life sort of way, but like Mithras' slaying of the bull, sort of once and for all.) But I'm open to other arguments. *shrug*

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