Fat Grade

[CyberEd]

Skorpion, who died and made you a M.D. ?!

[Blaze]

Precicely. You can help control weight with diet, but you might still be overweight. I still think there's nothing wrong with this though. It's extra information you can monitor, if you want. You can go to ANY clinic and get a BMI (Or even calculate it yourself). The school is just making it easier.

[Accer]

Here's an article for some of the people who have posted in the thread:
http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/index.html

It's long but hopefully will clear up some confusion about what we know about obesity, since some faulty claims have been made here already.

[Raistlin.Majere]

If you don't know a damn thing about a condition, then don't simply say "Take medication for it". Try learning a little. Thyroidism can kill you in untreated, it can cause weight gain and weight loss, as well as screw with your appetite.

I suppose those people that were on Vioxx that just took medication for it should be just fine eh?

[vixendrop]

[quote="Skorpion";p="449577"]Yes, yes it is. Find medication that doesen't give you weight gain. Take something for the thyroid problems.

Staying thin is easy if you just eat right. No junkfood, no carbonated drinks, no excess sugar, cycle a few miles a day.[/quote]

Taking medication for thyroid problems does NOT cause you to *lose* weight... it just causes your thyroid hormone levels to balance out and hopefully you won't gain as fast. That's it.

And there aren't always options for medications that don't cause you to gain weight. Should someone stop taking a medication that is keeping them alive just because they're gaining weight if there isn't another medication that doesn't have that side effect? That'd be stupid if you ask me.

Staying (or getting) thin is NOT always a matter of food control. No matter how much you claim it is, you'll always be wrong. Eating right and exercising will help you be healthy, but it doesn't always help weight.

[Catine]

Skorpion, your ignorance combined with your crappy attitude is really irritating.

I "take something" for my own underactive thyroid which has no impact on my weight at all. If you've already gained the weight, starting on Synthroid doesn't change anything.

I know that antidepressents can cause weight gain in some people. You can't just pick those up and put them down again, and switching types isn't as simple as stopping one kind and starting another. If you gain 50 pounds taking Paxil for depression, you can't just stop instantly and drop 50 pounds.

Birth control is another thing that can cause weight gain. I know at least 3 women who have started on depo and gained 30+ pounds. Personally, the pill causes me to gain 10-15 pounds that doesn't fall off with diet and excercise. Gosh, I wish it were as easy as cutting out junk food and riding a bike around town.

[SomGuy]

Since when did it matter if people are fat or not..... you know what? It's thier own god damn business. We get report cards and grades not for personal improvement, but as measurements of what we know in those particualr fields. These grades then determine if we get a high school diploma, accepted into college, get various college diplomas. It is CERTIFICATION. It is proof that you know what you are studying. Schools are not a place for personal improvement, they are a place for learning. Having reports of weight on report cards is A. Pointless B. A waste of time and money and C. Inappropriate. If parents want to knwo thier child's weight, you know what they can do? WEIGH THEM. This is honestly not a matter of wether it is right or wrong as far as how it will affect kids, but a question of whether or not this is actually a school's job or if it even has any benefits at all. Schools are for learning.

[Cyrus]

Yes you can, just stop eating so goddamn much. It's being UNDERweight you can't help, because no matter how much you eat, your metabolism burns it off.

Welcome to my world, I have been accused of being Bulimic and of having Aneroxia because of this.

[RadicalDreamer]

I can see why Skorpion doesn't like accepting that some people really can't do anything about it. However, for many, it is their fault. I knew a kid in elementary school who wasn't that bad when I first met him. A few years later, however, he had gained quite a bit of girth. His reply? "I'm big-boned!" Oh, really? I thought it was because you literally eat twice as much as we do at lunch time, and walk the mile instead of *gasp* making an effort to run and possibly make yourself a better person.

I feel sorry for the people who honestly can't help their weight. They're being grouped with idiots like him.

[Nukinblackmage]

Skorpion's just an angry old prick and you all would do well to remember that and not take anything he says to heart.

[Inc_B]

I have two things to add to this.
1)
The BMI while generally accepted as being a fair indicator of height to weight doesn't show how healthy you are. I used to work in the Australian Air Force and knew two people who both had BMIs in the obese range - problem was, they were body builders, the fittest damn guys I've ever known. The medic who gave them their results (obviously overweight herself, strangely enough) told them they were massively obese and had to lose weight or they would be put onto special dietary plans.
Just an example of how this system would fail.

2)
My ex-girlfriend has both myoencephalopathy and fibromyalgia (a common combination among those who have either). One of the effects of this is digestion problems - to get the same amount of value from foods as most people, she needs to eat far more. Another effect is muscle building problems - the more she exercises, the faster her muscles detiorate. So eating less and exercising would kill her. She isn't overweight, but my guess at her BMI would be around 30-35, getting towards the high end of the 'healthy' spectrum.
Funny thing is, myoencephalopathy is very rarely diagnosed, the symptoms tend to be attributed to other diseases.
It isn't common for children to be affected by ME or FM, but it does happen.

All I'm saying is, you can't cover every aspect, you can't argue every case, especially with a system that is known to be faulty.

[Smaointe]

I blame Canada.

After Canada, I blame video games.

Actually I saw a story recently that said that our kids are getting fatter because parents are scared to let them outside to exercise.

When I was 6, my sister and I walked to school every day - and it was a fair hike. These days, a lot of parents won't let their kids walk or ride to school for fear of something happening to them. The basic story was that kids aren't going outside to exercise, they are staying indoors and playing video games (those darn games!!), which in turn is making kids more sedentary and fatter.

I don't think the solution is to tell kids that they are fat - it's pretty dangerous when they are at that fragile stage in their lives when they are building their self esteem and body image. I think it is more important to teach them about nutrition and healthy eating.. and to give a range of exercise options that they will enjoy.

I hated sports in school because we were forced to do things that involved skills that I just didn't have. If it was compulsory to do 30 minutes of exercise per day at school, I would have done it if there was a bigger choice - 30 minutes of jogging around the oval wouldn't make me cringe like a game of softball or netball would, because I can go at my own pace, there are no rules to remember, and I can't drop the ball or let someone else down. I hated sports so much because it was agony, always worrying that I would look stupid. That's why I enjoyed things like circuit training or plain old cross country.. it wasn't humiliating.

If you want to encourage kids to be healthy, you have to make sure they enjoy it... if you force them to eat veges and play sport, they are going to resist with everything they've got.

Schools should teach nutrition, not just "here's the food pyramid, moving right along..".

[Mista]

[quote="Khana";p="449555"]Mista, not only is your comment unnecessarily blunt, its not even true. What kind of body image one prefers is both a cultural and personl preference thing.[/quote]

I think it really depends on your definition of "fatty"

Tubgirl is not sexy. Tubgirl is unhealthy.


A girl that is overweight can be sexy and also can be healthy.

[wiccanpie]

But, even if you're overweight you're going to get a lower grade on that slot on the report card.

Imagine: You're an honor roll student, All A's on your report card. Now, with this new BMI grade, you get a C. A C! You've never gotten a C before. You're just a few pounds overweight.

How devistating will that be to those individuals? (yeah, I know, I'm going out on a limb here.)

And according to Emma's thingy in her sig. I'm in the obese range...even though I'm only 20 lbs overweight. So, what does that say about me?

[BillyBlaze]

One time while I was at the doctors office I went and looked at a little chart they had, for your wieght hight, male and female. The female side of the chart still didn't go low enough to get to my wieght.