Loosing faith with humanity, and this time it hits home.

[Ary]

Wow... extremely sorry to hear that Kits. My condoleances

I agree with Seir.. even though there's a lot of twisted fucks out there, there's also people doing really nice and wonderful stuff.. even though you never hear about them. But I guess that won't help you much right now. *hug*

[windomas]

I belive humanity is the ability to break away from animal impulses and actually think about your actions. Mudderers lack this quality.

[StruckingFuggle]

That's a rather blanket statement ... Manson didn't think about his action, windowmas? How about Oswald? McVeigh? Gein?

[Grumlen]

Before I make the following statement, please note that I am NOT supporting what that man did. Very little can justify what he did . . .

Everyone, in their own mind, believes that they are following the best course of action given to them. That man, for whatever reasons, thought that attempting to kill his children and then committing suicide was the best course of action open to him. This doesn't mean that it was the best option, just that he saw it as such. Insanity can do strange things to a mind . . .

And as cold as this may sound, I can't offer condolences or say that I'm sorry for a very simple reason: I can't relate. I've never had anyone close to me die at an age where it would affect me.

[Blaze]

I'm not trying to argue, Blaze - I'm just wondering why you're going to say "they don't count as human" (and what 'they're not human' means) ... 'cause it seems to be an interesting definition of "human", as well as writing off a rather serious problem, unless you're going to try and figure out why people stop being human and prevent it from happening, instead of go, "oh, they're not human. *rage, punish*".

I wasn't raging, though, is the difference. I was making a contextual statement that somebody who does such things, in my view, has surrendered any semblance of humanity, and no longer qualifies.

[RadicalDreamer]

[quote="Blaze";p="458011"]
I wasn't raging, though, is the difference. I was making a contextual statement that somebody who does such things, in my view, has surrendered any semblance of humanity, and no longer qualifies.[/quote]

To which Fuggle will reply: Blah blah blah, Devil's Advocate, blah blah blah...

It's arbitrary. We know. He knows. Get over it.

Make a topic about it in the philosophy forum before it derails this thread, mmkay?

[Baron Von Waffle]

These are extreme cases, but there are even less extreme cases of bad parenting that still break my heart. I work with kids on a regular basis and every time there are serious depression issues in young kids I've seen it traced back to their family life. It hurts me because I can honestly say my father is my best friend and I want so badly to be able to give that to these kids but I can't... I can be as good a friend as I can but I can't be their parent. My goal in life is to continue my own father's legacy in that I'll not only have a strong relationship with my kids but they'll learn from that and do the same with theirs down the line.

This stuff pisses me off.

[Accer]

Umm, according to the article, only 2 of the kids died, not all five. In fact the article makes it sound like Shelby is going to live.

Meanwhile, ditto with what Seir said.

[Deacon]

Me personally? I'm "loosing" faith in humanity's ability to communicate accurately in written form.

[Kits]

My sister, who works at the ER and talks to the doctors, says they will not live through the week. I believe her over the Ledger.

[Nekra]

shleby? what kind of person calls their kid shelby?

[Martin Blank]

[quote="KitsuneMusume";p="457728"]If you're mad at your wife, why kill CHILDREN??? WHY????[/quote]
Sometimes anger and hatred can get so intense that the rest of the world becomes separated and distant with the exception of the target of the anger, and then the only thing that becomes important is lashing out at the target by hurting something or someone that the is important to the target. The children were the most important thing, and so they became the target because he wished to inflict the most powerful pain on the target of his rage.

[Deacon]

I think that was something a rhetorical question, MB.

[Martin Blank]

Even questions meant to be rhetorical sometimes end up with answers. Understanding what leads to this kind of thing is important in recognizing signs early on in other instances to head off possible recurrences. Much better to get someone like this at least away, if not in therapy, before he snaps.

[Mr.Shroom]

I'd have to agree; passing this off as 'just an example of a fucked up situation' is ignorant, and a good part of the problem. Its the same thinking that lets mentally disturbed people go without the right or any treatment, from moral codes to be upheld, and even prevents people from doing things to help themselves or others.

Something at the time obviously made doing this to those children a pleasing or at least most open solution\reaction to whatever blatant emotional\relationship problems were going on. This was far more than poor parenting. These were human beings with very flawed, immature views towards interacting with one another...and I wouldn't doubt if more than the obvious party is at fault for this.

But the point isn't blame. Its prevention. And only be ANSWERING our so-called rhetorical questions can we try to get one. The questions the investigators aren't asking aren't rhetorical, I'll tell you.