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CyberEd · Post by **CyberEd** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:59 am

shroom, as MB said, interrogating takes time. what if you don't have that time ?

and no. one does not torture as a revenge... I simply don't see the moral problem of torture when dealing with an ememy who uses that method as a viable tool...
taking into consideration the ememy ALREADY tortures, and would not stop, why not use that same tool in order to get information ? why not use that tool to save lives ?

fixer - my debate is indeed one of morality. however you cannot expect an army to maintain high moral standards when it's enemy abuses those same standards to harm that armies soldiers or civilians...

Post by **Martin Blank** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:15 am

Because torture is a questionable means of getting information. If I wanted to get you to tell me there were five lights, it would be possible, and while the methods might make me queasy (or downright puking), they're not terribly complex.

And it's not only expected that the army maintain high moral standards in the face of enemy abuse. It's essential for overall discipline and even moral authority. You can't let your military run wild just because they're mad that they or their buddies were tortured. The anger is fine, even good, but it must be channelled appropriately.

CyberEd · Post by **CyberEd** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:34 pm

again... y'all misunderstand me...

I don't mean to say torture is fine, lets all go out and abuse harmless civilians.
I'm not saying the US should torture POW or arrested personel.

I AM saying that torture is a viable way if acquiring information.

naval_aviator_2040 · Post by **naval_aviator_2040** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:53 pm

but under torture a subject will say anything to make it stop. so what if they make up some piece of information because its what they think you want to hear? what if they really don't know anything and, just to make you stop, make up something and then you act on it and miss the real event or, worse yet, attack someone based on that information and get you and your men killed?

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:43 pm

[quote="CyberEd";p="464203"]again... y'all misunderstand me...

I don't mean to say torture is fine, lets all go out and abuse harmless civilians.
I'm not saying the US should torture POW or arrested personel.

I AM saying that torture is a viable way if acquiring information.[/quote]
Does it work? Yes.
Is it reliable? No.
Is it circumstantial and subject to interpretation and coersion? Yes.

CyberEd · Post by **CyberEd** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:23 pm

[quote="Fixer";p="464292"]Does it work? Yes.[/quote]
well... the engineer in me says: "if it works - keep using it"

Calus · Post by **Calus** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:29 pm

The engineer in you is missing the second line, and should know better.

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:44 am

torture definately isnt reliable.. If it isn't reliable, who cares if it works.. All you are going to get is BS. An answer for the sake of an answer.

CyberEd · Post by **CyberEd** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:37 pm

as I said. when applying torture as a means of interrogation you don't just hurt the guy until he tells you what you want to hear.
people who interrogate study psychology and medicine for quite some time.

plus you never act on one source... reliable as it may be.

btw, noone has yet proposed some better way of acquiring information in a short time.

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:29 am

maybe its because some of us don't believe that there is any way to acquire information in a short period of time that should be held as acceptable.

As far as psychological torture, and medicine.. At times those are far more inhumane than physical torture..

Calus · Post by **Calus** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:37 am

And mind reading isn't around yet.

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