Terri Schiavo - live or die, why do we even have to ask?

unrealshadow · Post by **unrealshadow** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:45 am

They shouldn't be taking away water and food, that's like cruel and unusual punsihment. Just smash a brick into her face so she'll die quickly.

People who are vegetables should be dealt with like all the other vegetables; eaten.

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:33 pm

If she really wanted to die, where is her living will?
If only people would think ahead and have one drafted there would be no need for controversies like this..

As far as starving her though, there are more humane ways to do it..

Post by **Martin Blank** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:10 pm

She was 26 or 27 when the heart attack occurred. No one ever has anything bad happen to them at that age, remember?

Doctors in Florida may take no affirmative actions towards her death (administering or making available an overdose of sedatives, for example). The only option is removing life support. The feeding tube is the life support equipment she's attached to.

It's worth noting that as of this morning, or perhaps last night, the Schindlers have stopped pursuing legal options. They went in to see her last night; last rites, it turns out, were administered when the feeding tube was removed.

SunTzu · Post by **SunTzu** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:56 pm

Hm.

What happens if i break both arms and cant eat? Is that considered life support to feed me?

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:05 pm

Yep. It's what you would've wanted.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:00 pm

Doctors in Florida may take no affirmative actions towards her death (administering or making available an overdose of sedatives, for example). The only option is removing life support. The feeding tube is the life support equipment she's attached to.

That's interesting. Kinda depressing, too, that there's all these more humane ways to do it, but they're legally prevented from doing them.

mike-UCD · Post by **mike-UCD** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:07 am

[quote="SunTzu";p="471039"]Hm.

What happens if i break both arms and cant eat? Is that considered life support to feed me?[/quote]

Actually, I believe that, that is life support. You could always excercise your right to refuse being fed. Then you could starve to death. You would still be able to make life support decisions for yourself. The fact is that Terri Shiavo can not refuse or ask for life support.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:31 am

Can't anorexics be committed against their will?

coyote blue · Post by **coyote blue** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:51 am

unrealshadow,

They shouldn't be taking away water and food, that's like cruel and unusual punsihment. Just smash a brick into her face so she'll die quickly.

People who are vegetables should be dealt with like all the other vegetables; eaten.

I do hope you are being sarcastic. If not, then do you mind it if I smash a brick into your face? She may not be able to live a normal life, or even semi-normal. But she is a person, she was, and still is. She may be aware of what is going on, on some level. Who knows? But to make a comment like that...

SunTzu · Post by **SunTzu** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:17 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="471134"]Can't anorexics be committed against their will?[/quote]

Dunno about the US, but they can here, and i believe we have about the same laws.

I still think its fairly hypocritical to say that if ive got terminal brain cancer i cant ask to be killed painlessly, but if ive got brain damage they can kill me.

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:43 pm

[quote="SunTzu";p="471039"]Hm.

What happens if i break both arms and cant eat? Is that considered life support to feed me?[/quote]
If you are conscious, you will be asked if you would like to be fed and treated accordingly. If you choose not to eat, they may give you a psychiatric evaluation if it is obviously bad for your health, but that's about the extent of it.

If you are unconscious, you will be treated as a legal ward until someone can contact someone who can make decisions on your behalf. By default, they will feed you and keep you alive until someone can take custody.

[quote="Deacon";p="471134"]Can't anorexics be committed against their will?[/quote]
I am not certain about 'against their will', but I know one of my ex's from back in high school was admitted by her grandparents for anorexia. Considering we had only been dating for 2 weeks it was a bit of a shock to me.

In Florida, if a person is deemed to be unable to make reasonable decisions for themselves, they can be 'Baker Act'-ed and placed into protective custody.

The problem with eating disorders is that they often get overlooked for the longest time, or not recognized as a serious medical condition until the damage is nigh-irreversible.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:38 pm

Who's "we"? I notice you put no info about yourself in your profile :/

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:01 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="471359"]Who's "we"? I notice you put no info about yourself in your profile :/[/quote]
I believe he is referring to Sweden. Either that or he and his girlfriend. Hard to tell.

coyote blue · Post by **coyote blue** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:59 am

I was discussing this at work today.. and from what I am understanding, I am hating him more and more. Now when she dies, he wants her cremated right away.. I wonder...
Oh, and don't forget the insurance he will receive ones she passes too...

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:02 am

He will be a rich man.. and all that money will help him cope..

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