Sucicide - A Sin?

Phoenix Talon · Post by **Phoenix Talon** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:35 am

Suicide is simply short chaning yourself, in my eyes. You can always find something better to do than mope around. As for religion, the only religions I know (For a definate) that show it as a sin is Christianity and Judaism (pardon the horrible spelling.).

As for the more...medical stand point, I believe that if a) a person is brain dead and has left notice prior to falling into that state that they would not want to be in said state, b) if someone is in extreme pain and that pain will not lessen even with drug treatment, then yes, you should have the option to "kill youself."

I would relate this to the Terri Schivo case, but as I was to young to actually pay attention when the accident happened, and am lacking several details about the case, so I have not been able to formulate a solid opinion on the matter.

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:41 pm

Life is a terminal illness. No one gets out of it alive.

Suicide as it is commonly described is a purely selfish act. In its broadest sense, however, it is not a sin.

Hear me out.

If someone discovers they have a highly contagious, highly fatal disease (or something similar) and does not wish to risk giving it to anyone else, would their taking of their own life be suicide? What if it turned out they were wrong?

On the other side: Look at people who live live exceptionally dangerously and taking careless risks. It isn't them taking their own life, it is them setting himself up to die, which only barely qualifies as suicide but is still completely selfish.

In the end, this is the difference between a martyr and a suicide 'victim'. A martyr kills themselves for the greater good of a community (the sanity of such an act should be questioned, though). A suicide 'victim' kills themselves for purely selfish reasons (of course, they are a victim of themselves).

edge · Post by **edge** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:20 pm

[quote="bort";p="472715"]suicide is usually cowardly and/or selfish. does this make it a sin? if i believed in god, i'd say so.

[/quote]

I don't know if I'd agree with selfish really. Cowardly, yes. I can kind of see selfish, but I don't really think it quite fits. Although I guess if you're killing yourself over another person, it's still about you and your own feelings.

I can also see how it is a sin in the eyes of any religion. It was stated earlier in this thread that life is given to you, and you shouldn't waste it, but also, shouldn't it be one's choice to live or die? What if you're completely miserable? Then again, there's pills for that. It's such a back and forth issue, it's hard to come down to a concrete answer.

Post by **Blaze** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:48 pm

I suppose, as with anything, the law is not as cut and dried as it might seem. Sometimes there are definitely extenuating circumstances. But then, if somebody killed themselves to prevent the spread of disease, or sensitive information that could hurt others, would you really call it a suicide?

SunTzu · Post by **SunTzu** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:13 pm

Of course its selfish, EVERYTHING WE DO IS SELFISH.

The thing is, if you have a friend/relative who is cronically depressed, and all he wants to do is die, 24/7, is it not selfish of you to blame him for wanting to get out? For forcing him to live on in constant pain, just so YOU wont have to face the hurt that you "failed" in helping him?

mikehendo · Post by **mikehendo** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:25 pm

just to lend a little thought to though, check this out:
http://www.infidels.org/library/histori ... n-int.html

Mr. Evil · Post by **Mr. Evil** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:34 pm

Sucidie maybe selfish, but if nothing else dont we own ourselves, and our lives? If we dont have to snuff it when we choose, just how free can we be?

CyberEd · Post by **CyberEd** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:21 pm

[quote="Mr. Evil";p="473136"]Sucidie maybe selfish, but if nothing else dont we own ourselves, and our lives? If we dont have to snuff it when we choose, just how free can we be?[/quote]
and you want to be a psychologist ? I can already see that...

patient: I want to kill myself !!!
Mr. Evil: that's great ! you own yourself and your life, you can snuff it whenever you choose. be free ! the window's that way.

Mr. Evil · Post by **Mr. Evil** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:31 pm

[quote="CyberEd";p="473151"][quote="Mr. Evil";p="473136"]Sucidie maybe selfish, but if nothing else dont we own ourselves, and our lives? If we dont have to snuff it when we choose, just how free can we be?[/quote]
and you want to be a psychologist ? I can already see that...

patient: I want to kill myself !!!
Mr. Evil: that's great ! you own yourself and your life, you can snuff it whenever you choose. be free ! the window's that way.[/quote]

I would never encourage a patient to off themselves. I also wouldnt sit there guilt tripping them by saying its selfish or a sin to kill yourself. If you cant a find a reason to live beyond a desire to not be selfish or not wanting to commit a sin, your might as well off yourself. However, I believe that almost all lives have something in them that makes them worth living.

G.C.1129 · Post by **G.C.1129** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:51 pm

well what i think of suicide is that it is a sin and what fixer said up there he's right its also telling God that you do not like your own life that He gave you.... my personal facts. anyway i will continue readin this but... i... i'll post once in a while.

peter-griffin · Post by **peter-griffin** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:55 pm

Some think suicide is the only way to escape dishonor, some think it is an act of humiliation and the ultimate sin. Choose your flavor.

G.C.1129 · Post by **G.C.1129** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:00 pm

yeah... look what hitler did

peter-griffin · Post by **peter-griffin** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:02 pm

G.C.1129 · Post by **G.C.1129** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:04 pm

hitler killed himself to escape dishonor

peter-griffin · Post by **peter-griffin** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:05 pm

uh, thanks for that

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