Cat Hunting
All I can say is that I am in absolute support of this. Cats are an indoor pet. They are destructive to nature as well as dangerous to children. If there was a DOG tearing up property, killing things, and threatening/injuring children, you'd kill it without a second thought. Cats deserve no better.
All you cat owners, keep them IN DOORS.
Also, I find it funny. The man who started the bill has recieved death threats. Lets see... threats of death of a human being because of threats of death of some cats?
Boy, some people sure have their understanding of the importance of life screwed up.
Free Roaming Cat Hunting
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While I don't like outright killing of stray animals, they are just that, animals, and thus become secondary in importance to people.
If I were in charge I'd fund free spay/neutering programs to cut down on strays, and automatically spay/neuter any animal brought in to the pound (even if it's just a temporary escape from pet-hood).
If I were in charge I'd fund free spay/neutering programs to cut down on strays, and automatically spay/neuter any animal brought in to the pound (even if it's just a temporary escape from pet-hood).
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some kid in my neighborhood has been shooting my cats with a bebegun. I am so mad. It's absolutely ridiculous. So I understand where the opposition is coming from.
But if this was to be passed, there would have to be some kind of push to make better cat collars. I don't know if you guys are familiar, but most cats have a pretty easy time getting them off - no matter how tight they are. They are clever animals. I can't imagine if I came home from work and discovered my cat had lodged his collar in a branch and wedged it off, then got shot...
But if this was to be passed, there would have to be some kind of push to make better cat collars. I don't know if you guys are familiar, but most cats have a pretty easy time getting them off - no matter how tight they are. They are clever animals. I can't imagine if I came home from work and discovered my cat had lodged his collar in a branch and wedged it off, then got shot...
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I think this is a great idea. If you've ever actually lived in an area that's plagued by stray animals, especially stray cats, you'd know what a problem they pose for everyone. Is there any downside to removing the populations of feral strays?
[quote="Bigity";p="480196"]I'd fund free ... programs[/quote]
Come again? Besdies the obvious oxymoron, are you just that rich?
[quote="applekidjosh";p="480199"]some kid in my neighborhood has been shooting my cats with a bebegun. I am so mad. It's absolutely ridiculous. So I understand where the opposition is coming from.[/quote]
That kid and this bill are totally unrelated. You do realize that, right? They're not talking about torturing housecats by plinking them with BB guns.
[quote="Bigity";p="480196"]I'd fund free ... programs[/quote]
Come again? Besdies the obvious oxymoron, are you just that rich?
May I ask exactly how that works? You seem to believe there's an obvious connection between those two points, but I don't seem to get it.fund free spay/neutering programs to cut down on strays
[quote="applekidjosh";p="480199"]some kid in my neighborhood has been shooting my cats with a bebegun. I am so mad. It's absolutely ridiculous. So I understand where the opposition is coming from.[/quote]
That kid and this bill are totally unrelated. You do realize that, right? They're not talking about torturing housecats by plinking them with BB guns.
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i think what applekid is saying, deacon, is that people are going to take this bill as a license to go around and kill any cats that get near their property. my cat, for example, is a long haired tabby. her collar is next to impossible to see, but she has one. so, someone might feel justified shooting my cat if they saw her on their property.
now, some ppl are saying that cats should not be outside anyway, and i whole-heartedly disagree with that. last i checked, cats natural environments are not apartments. now, i do agree that stray cats are a problem, however, you can already deal with that problem by calling your local pound, and having them come down and try and clean out the area. i have done this on several occasion, and the pound in my town did a great job finding the strays. also, you won't piss someone off as much if you accidentally send the cat to the pound (you know, as apposed to shooting it).
btw, I am from Wisconsin, so this bill will directly affect me, and i am completely opposed to it.
now, some ppl are saying that cats should not be outside anyway, and i whole-heartedly disagree with that. last i checked, cats natural environments are not apartments. now, i do agree that stray cats are a problem, however, you can already deal with that problem by calling your local pound, and having them come down and try and clean out the area. i have done this on several occasion, and the pound in my town did a great job finding the strays. also, you won't piss someone off as much if you accidentally send the cat to the pound (you know, as apposed to shooting it).
btw, I am from Wisconsin, so this bill will directly affect me, and i am completely opposed to it.
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There used to be packs of stray dogs that ran around the town where I went to college. It finally got so bad that they were attackign people and farm animals. At that point, the city gave everyone the right to kill the dogs using any means necessary. After about a week or so, there werent packs of stray dogs anymore.. Problem solved..
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[quote="Blinker";p="480208"]i think what applekid is saying, deacon, is that people are going to take this bill as a license to go around and kill any cats that get near their property. my cat, for example, is a long haired tabby. her collar is next to impossible to see, but she has one. so, someone might feel justified shooting my cat if they saw her on their property.[/quote]
No, that's not what applekidjosh was saying at all. He was referring to an emotional reaction that arises from the mean-spirited torture of cute-n-fuzzy animals. You do make a good point, though I don't believe it's very stubstantial to the argument. After all, letting your cat roam around in my yard, harrass my dog (which I have responsibly restrained within my property), and bother and kill the birds and squirrels that come to feed at the feeder I've put up for that purpose is an indication that you're shirking your responsibility. It's not up to me to restrain your pet. It's also not up to me to make sure your pet doesn't come caterwauling under my window and screwing its brains out to create a whole litter of new little stray pests.
It seems to me that the only real reason people have a problem with this is that kitty cats are so cute and warm and fuzzy-wuzzy, iddle-widdle hewpwess sweetie pussums...
This argument about a housecat's "natural environment" not being your house is just plain silly. The animals in question are domesticated pets. And if your problem is that you do not wish to place an animal in an "artificial environment", then you should not feed or shelter any animal, lest you become both a hypocrite and basically a terrible person for foisting such an "unnatural" thing on an animal. Of course, a homosapien's natural environment isn't in a house, either, but hey...
Point is, restrain your pet animals to your property. How you do that is up to you. Whatever floats your boat. If, however, you fail to properly restrain your pet animals to your property, then you have failed to maintain any expectation of receiving your animal back unharmed. When you fail in that regard, you expose your allegeldy beloved pet to threats from vehicular traffic, sadistic neighborhood kids, dogs, foxes, racoons, diseases (many of which are easily contracted and some of which are transferrable to humans), animal control officers, etc. How can you possibly live with yourself for putting your pet in such constant peril?
No, that's not what applekidjosh was saying at all. He was referring to an emotional reaction that arises from the mean-spirited torture of cute-n-fuzzy animals. You do make a good point, though I don't believe it's very stubstantial to the argument. After all, letting your cat roam around in my yard, harrass my dog (which I have responsibly restrained within my property), and bother and kill the birds and squirrels that come to feed at the feeder I've put up for that purpose is an indication that you're shirking your responsibility. It's not up to me to restrain your pet. It's also not up to me to make sure your pet doesn't come caterwauling under my window and screwing its brains out to create a whole litter of new little stray pests.
It seems to me that the only real reason people have a problem with this is that kitty cats are so cute and warm and fuzzy-wuzzy, iddle-widdle hewpwess sweetie pussums...
You have choices: you can acts a responsible pet owner and restrain your pets to your property, you can decide that you cannot in good conscience do so and therefore decide that you will not keep a cat, or you can let your cat run wild and run the risk of it being shot.now, some ppl are saying that cats should not be outside anyway, and i whole-heartedly disagree with that. last i checked, cats natural environments are not apartments.
This argument about a housecat's "natural environment" not being your house is just plain silly. The animals in question are domesticated pets. And if your problem is that you do not wish to place an animal in an "artificial environment", then you should not feed or shelter any animal, lest you become both a hypocrite and basically a terrible person for foisting such an "unnatural" thing on an animal. Of course, a homosapien's natural environment isn't in a house, either, but hey...
Point is, restrain your pet animals to your property. How you do that is up to you. Whatever floats your boat. If, however, you fail to properly restrain your pet animals to your property, then you have failed to maintain any expectation of receiving your animal back unharmed. When you fail in that regard, you expose your allegeldy beloved pet to threats from vehicular traffic, sadistic neighborhood kids, dogs, foxes, racoons, diseases (many of which are easily contracted and some of which are transferrable to humans), animal control officers, etc. How can you possibly live with yourself for putting your pet in such constant peril?
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There are a few stray dog packs around where I live, but we have a lot of hunters and they generally don't last long if they mess with folks. They avoid us, we kill them when we see them.
[quote="applekidjosh";p="480199"]I don't know if you guys are familiar, but most cats have a pretty easy time getting them off - no matter how tight they are. They are clever animals. I can't imagine if I came home from work and discovered my cat had lodged his collar in a branch and wedged it off, then got shot...[/quote]
For starters, what are branches doing inside your house? You have large trees in your home? I want that in my house.
I put a harness on my cat (even attached a tiny bell to the bottom so it dingles when she runs or jumps). She hasn't even been remotely close to taking that thing off and got used to it after about a day.
[quote="applekidjosh";p="480199"]I don't know if you guys are familiar, but most cats have a pretty easy time getting them off - no matter how tight they are. They are clever animals. I can't imagine if I came home from work and discovered my cat had lodged his collar in a branch and wedged it off, then got shot...[/quote]
For starters, what are branches doing inside your house? You have large trees in your home? I want that in my house.
I put a harness on my cat (even attached a tiny bell to the bottom so it dingles when she runs or jumps). She hasn't even been remotely close to taking that thing off and got used to it after about a day.
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I'd pay for pet owners to get pets neutered free of charge. To pay for it, I'd cut something like...oh, cities building "tourist information centers" and other useless junk.
I don't live under the assumption that all strays come from owners, I know they are breeding under old houses, etc etc. That's why I agree that some of them have to be put down to control things like rabies, and property damage, etc.
I can't think of many people who would be excited about actively "hunting" down stray cats though.
I don't live under the assumption that all strays come from owners, I know they are breeding under old houses, etc etc. That's why I agree that some of them have to be put down to control things like rabies, and property damage, etc.
I can't think of many people who would be excited about actively "hunting" down stray cats though.
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Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
Today's liberals wish to disarm us so they can run their evil and oppressive agenda on us. The fight against crime is just a convenient excuse to further their agenda. I don't know about you, but if you hear that Williams' guns have been taken, you'll know Williams is dead. -- Walter Williams, Professor of Economics, George Mason University
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Re: Free Roaming Cat Hunting
hmm...
::laughs for 10 minutes::
angry neighbor shoots pesky cat with a .22
...such a pure, unadulturated form of natural selection has never before been seen.
::laughs for 10 minutes::
angry neighbor shoots pesky cat with a .22
...such a pure, unadulturated form of natural selection has never before been seen.
Deacon, I wasn't saying at all that it's not my responsibilty to keep my cat on my own property, because i know it is. What I am saying is that it is absurd to allow ppl just to kill cats because they see them on their property. as mentioned before, cats are very clever, and find ways to get outside sometimes when you don't even notice (my cat likes to hide behind the couch and make a dash for the door when i got to school or work or wherever.). just because cats have been domesticated does not mean they do not like to go outside and be outside. my cat prefers to be outside, since she is always trying to find ways out, and when she gets out without a leash, i have to chase her down to get her inside.
so, the solution to this that i offer is for ppl to call animal control about the pets if they are bothering them, have some professionals come and pick up the cat, and notify the owner if they have a collar, otherwise, put the cat in the pound for ppl to either come pick up or eventually put to sleep if no one claims them. i really do not see the need at all for people to have the rights to go ahead and just kill the cats.
so, the solution to this that i offer is for ppl to call animal control about the pets if they are bothering them, have some professionals come and pick up the cat, and notify the owner if they have a collar, otherwise, put the cat in the pound for ppl to either come pick up or eventually put to sleep if no one claims them. i really do not see the need at all for people to have the rights to go ahead and just kill the cats.
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1- Most of indoor cats are sterilized, so they can't reproduce.
[quote="Bigity";p="480196"]While I don't like outright killing of stray animals, they are just that, animals, and thus become secondary in importance to people.[/quote]
2- For me, you're an animal Bigity, Human specie IS animal, with an incredibly developped brain but still. I have more respect for dogs and cats than I have for some individuals. Cats are, FOR SURE, not as dangerous as we are for the nature.
[quote="Bigity";p="480196"]While I don't like outright killing of stray animals, they are just that, animals, and thus become secondary in importance to people.[/quote]
2- For me, you're an animal Bigity, Human specie IS animal, with an incredibly developped brain but still. I have more respect for dogs and cats than I have for some individuals. Cats are, FOR SURE, not as dangerous as we are for the nature.
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