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Nukinblackmage
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feh, ment Christianity...stupid brain, stop mixing things that aren't ment to be mixed!
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Damned women and their emotions! -FireAza
"Luck is a word the ignorant use to define their ignorance. They are blind to the patters of force that drive the universe, and they name their blindness science, or clearheadedness, or pragmatism; when they stumble into walls or fall off cliffs, they name their clumsiness luck." - Tan'elKoth in Blade of Tyshalle
Another slavik pope would be nice.
[quote="gravity";p="482187"]Jean-Marie Lustiger... I thought only guys could become Pope.
/me knows it's a guy, but I still say he has a girls name
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In Latin derived languages, if the first name is masculine, the entire name is masculine. Another example: Carlo Maria Martini. Damn, even me know that !
[quote="gravity";p="482187"]Jean-Marie Lustiger... I thought only guys could become Pope.
/me knows it's a guy, but I still say he has a girls name
[/quote]In Latin derived languages, if the first name is masculine, the entire name is masculine. Another example: Carlo Maria Martini. Damn, even me know that !
[quote="Makh";p="482297"]Another slavik pope would be nice.
[quote="gravity";p="482187"]Jean-Marie Lustiger... I thought only guys could become Pope.
/me knows it's a guy, but I still say he has a girls name[/quote]
In Latin derived languages, if the first name is masculine, the entire name is masculine. Another example: Carlo Maria Martini. Damn, even me know that ![/quote]
But Jean-Marie IS a girls name! Haven't you ever watched X-Men? Jean Grey, Jean-Marie, same thing!
[quote="gravity";p="482187"]Jean-Marie Lustiger... I thought only guys could become Pope.
/me knows it's a guy, but I still say he has a girls name
[/quote]In Latin derived languages, if the first name is masculine, the entire name is masculine. Another example: Carlo Maria Martini. Damn, even me know that !
[/quote]But Jean-Marie IS a girls name! Haven't you ever watched X-Men? Jean Grey, Jean-Marie, same thing!
[quote="RadicalDreamer";p="482285"][quote="StruckingFuggle";p="482282"]Catholic* Church.
(Is there even a "Christian Church"?)[/quote]
Nope, unless you count the bazillion little neo-Protestant charches that spring up and dissappear along the Bible Belt like weeds.
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Or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 174 years and counting, so it's not springing up and disappearing like weeds. And it's worldwide, baby. *boogies down*
(Is there even a "Christian Church"?)[/quote]
Nope, unless you count the bazillion little neo-Protestant charches that spring up and dissappear along the Bible Belt like weeds.
[/quote]Or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 174 years and counting, so it's not springing up and disappearing like weeds. And it's worldwide, baby. *boogies down*
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Yeah, but aren't the Mormons another sect of Christianity? ... er, hold up, is there even any RELIGION that's called "Christianity"? Or is there "Christian [Protestant]", "Christian [Catholic]", "Christian[Baptist]", "Christian[Mormon]", what have you?
"He who lives by the sword dies by my arrow."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
Do not forget Orthodox, Fuggle.
[quote="gravity";p="482298"]But Jean-Marie IS a girls name! Haven't you ever watched X-Men? Jean Grey, Jean-Marie, same thing![/quote]
I know what is X-Men is. Jean is a French male name just like Valery is a Russian male name. If you Americans like to take foreign male names and give thoses names to your little girls, then, it is your problem
[quote="gravity";p="482298"]But Jean-Marie IS a girls name! Haven't you ever watched X-Men? Jean Grey, Jean-Marie, same thing!
[/quote]I know what is X-Men is. Jean is a French male name just like Valery is a Russian male name. If you Americans like to take foreign male names and give thoses names to your little girls, then, it is your problem
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I wasn't trying to be Comprehensive, Makh. 
I don't know or want to try and list how many different sects and cults there are... was just listing a few to make an example.
I don't know or want to try and list how many different sects and cults there are... was just listing a few to make an example."He who lives by the sword dies by my arrow."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
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StruckingFuggle, Baptist would be a subset (known as a "denomination") of protestant Christianity. Basically, "Christianity" is used to refer to any religious group that claims Christ's teachings as its base or inspiration. Usually these fall into three categories: Catholic, Protestant, and Mormon. Catholicism comprises such a huge percentage of people who claim a Christian faith (in other words, by raw numbers) that the terms are used almost interchangeably. Protestant denominations are pretty much everything else (i.e. Baptist, Methodist, yada yada yada). Mormonism is kinda off in the corner minding its own business and daydreaming, the weird cousin who talks about UFOs and conspiracy theories.
I guess a 4th category would be "cults" like the Branch Dividians and pretty much everyone else who pay lip service to mentions of Jesus but are so off in left field and/or inclusive of various other directly contradicting and often random beliefs that they don't really fall into any easily describable category. Most Catholics and Protestants consider Mormonism to be a cult, but it doesn't start to get really trippy and weird until you really get deep into it, so...
I guess a 4th category would be "cults" like the Branch Dividians and pretty much everyone else who pay lip service to mentions of Jesus but are so off in left field and/or inclusive of various other directly contradicting and often random beliefs that they don't really fall into any easily describable category. Most Catholics and Protestants consider Mormonism to be a cult, but it doesn't start to get really trippy and weird until you really get deep into it, so...
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[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="482303"]Yeah, but aren't the Mormons another sect of Christianity? ... er, hold up, is there even any RELIGION that's called "Christianity"? Or is there "Christian [Protestant]", "Christian [Catholic]", "Christian[Baptist]", "Christian[Mormon]", what have you?[/quote]
Well, Protestant and Catholic are the two big divisions, with Baptist fitting under the Protestant umbrella. The main difference between Protestant and Catholics are a difference of opinion over customs, traditions, goings-on, etc. There's also some difference in doctrine. Example: Catholics believe that saints have power, you can pray to them, and have special standing in heaven. Protestants do not believe anything like this about saints, and believe everyone is equal before God. Baptist, methodist, episcopal, etc, are all divisions of Protestantism, each distinquishing itself by putting emphasis on a certain part of the religion or part of the bible that it feels is more important to practice than the rest. There really is very little difference among the (main) Protestant sects.
Mormonism is a cult, in that they actually change what the bible says, and they have a pack of beliefs and customs that aren't based on anything supported by any Christian doctrine.
Well, Protestant and Catholic are the two big divisions, with Baptist fitting under the Protestant umbrella. The main difference between Protestant and Catholics are a difference of opinion over customs, traditions, goings-on, etc. There's also some difference in doctrine. Example: Catholics believe that saints have power, you can pray to them, and have special standing in heaven. Protestants do not believe anything like this about saints, and believe everyone is equal before God. Baptist, methodist, episcopal, etc, are all divisions of Protestantism, each distinquishing itself by putting emphasis on a certain part of the religion or part of the bible that it feels is more important to practice than the rest. There really is very little difference among the (main) Protestant sects.
Mormonism is a cult, in that they actually change what the bible says, and they have a pack of beliefs and customs that aren't based on anything supported by any Christian doctrine.
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Deacon and Ruu: Thanks for the answers. Really clears up something I've been wondering about... So! 'Christianity' is kind of the umbrella term for one set of beliefs, broken up into subbeliefs (sects?), like Catholicism and Protestantism, which are then further broken up into denominations like "Baptist" or "Methodist" ... so it goes Christian(Catholic), or Christian(Protestant[Baptist]) ... hm, is there any Church or belief set that's just "Christian", outside all of it?
Really clears up something I've been wondering about... So! 'Christianity' is kind of the umbrella term for one set of beliefs, broken up into subbeliefs (sects?), like Catholicism and Protestantism, which are then further broken up into denominations like "Baptist" or "Methodist" ... so it goes Christian(Catholic), or Christian(Protestant[Baptist]) ... hm, is there any Church or belief set that's just "Christian", outside all of it?"He who lives by the sword dies by my arrow."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
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No. Christianity refers to a belief system that claims Christ's teachings as a significant part of its base. It is not one set of beliefs, broken up or otherwise.
There are a number of churches out there that aren't part of any particular organization, often referred to as "nondenominational". Typically, though, because they aren't Catholic, they get herded up underneath the Protestant umbrella. Frankly, these large religious organizations and MANY of the attitudes and beliefs therein are actually an affront to Christ's teachings, if the humans involved would stop bickering about pet doctrines and actually take the time read.
Functionally, there's Catholicism and there's Everyone Else. Lately, as in the last 20 to 30 to years or so, there's been a been a movement among Everyone Else to get away from the shackles of denominations and instead to start thinking, reading, and interpreting for themselves--not as taboo among protestants, but certainly a wild differentiation from Catholicism, which emphasizes blindly following the whims of the men in the collars and big hats, including nearly two millenia of these whims and twisting and absorption of various local pagan beliefs into a tremendous conglomeration melting pot of an often unrecognizable hodgepodge of beliefs with no affiliation whatsoever with anything Christ or his apostles ever taught. These nondenominational believers are probably the closest to what you're referring to as "just 'Christian'". They usually refer to themselves as "evangelical" Christians due to its definition as "Of, relating to, or in accordance with the Christian gospel, especially one of the four gospel books of the New Testament." In other words, they're more about God and His teachings than about religion, especially "organized religion".
There are a number of churches out there that aren't part of any particular organization, often referred to as "nondenominational". Typically, though, because they aren't Catholic, they get herded up underneath the Protestant umbrella. Frankly, these large religious organizations and MANY of the attitudes and beliefs therein are actually an affront to Christ's teachings, if the humans involved would stop bickering about pet doctrines and actually take the time read.
Functionally, there's Catholicism and there's Everyone Else. Lately, as in the last 20 to 30 to years or so, there's been a been a movement among Everyone Else to get away from the shackles of denominations and instead to start thinking, reading, and interpreting for themselves--not as taboo among protestants, but certainly a wild differentiation from Catholicism, which emphasizes blindly following the whims of the men in the collars and big hats, including nearly two millenia of these whims and twisting and absorption of various local pagan beliefs into a tremendous conglomeration melting pot of an often unrecognizable hodgepodge of beliefs with no affiliation whatsoever with anything Christ or his apostles ever taught. These nondenominational believers are probably the closest to what you're referring to as "just 'Christian'". They usually refer to themselves as "evangelical" Christians due to its definition as "Of, relating to, or in accordance with the Christian gospel, especially one of the four gospel books of the New Testament." In other words, they're more about God and His teachings than about religion, especially "organized religion".
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Ah.
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"He who lives by the sword dies by my arrow."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
[quote="Ruu";p="482312"]Mormonism is a cult, in that they actually change what the bible says, and they have a pack of beliefs and customs that aren't based on anything supported by any Christian doctrine.[/quote]
...but everyone KNOWS that there was NEVER any change to Christian doctrine between 33 and 435 A.D.
Now, if God decides that he's tired of us snarfing up his instructions to us that, really, are just helpful pointers on how we can put ourselves in a state where we can appreciate living with him, how will he let us know how it's supposed to be done? Everything I've seen in the Bible points to a pattern of speaking to Prophets. No endless committees, councils, debates, whatever. Abraham didn't get together with Abimelech and say "Hey, there's too many gods, it's too confusing, what do we do?" Moses, Aaron, and Jethro didn't get together and say "Now that we're out of Egypt, let's take all the legal codes in the world, pick out the best parts, and that's how we'll run the camp." Elijah didn't approach Ahab and Jezebel to say "Let's work together to see how we can work the popularity of Molech into the worship of YHWH."
And the apostles didn't take five different votes before Matthias got 2/3 majority. They put it forward once, and it was UNANIMOUS.
And if an author says "Hey, my book has been subjected to countless unauthorized revisions; the whole meaning has been changed"... well, he's more than right to hire an editor to bring out the correct edition.
*shrug* Or not. Truth will win, whoever has it.
...but everyone KNOWS that there was NEVER any change to Christian doctrine between 33 and 435 A.D.
Now, if God decides that he's tired of us snarfing up his instructions to us that, really, are just helpful pointers on how we can put ourselves in a state where we can appreciate living with him, how will he let us know how it's supposed to be done? Everything I've seen in the Bible points to a pattern of speaking to Prophets. No endless committees, councils, debates, whatever. Abraham didn't get together with Abimelech and say "Hey, there's too many gods, it's too confusing, what do we do?" Moses, Aaron, and Jethro didn't get together and say "Now that we're out of Egypt, let's take all the legal codes in the world, pick out the best parts, and that's how we'll run the camp." Elijah didn't approach Ahab and Jezebel to say "Let's work together to see how we can work the popularity of Molech into the worship of YHWH."
And the apostles didn't take five different votes before Matthias got 2/3 majority. They put it forward once, and it was UNANIMOUS.
And if an author says "Hey, my book has been subjected to countless unauthorized revisions; the whole meaning has been changed"... well, he's more than right to hire an editor to bring out the correct edition.
*shrug* Or not. Truth will win, whoever has it.
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