[quote="Smaointe";p="488950"]Thanks gravity, but I'm waiting with bated breath for jimkatai to come up with some sort of research to support his ridiculous and completely laughable claims.
Can't wait.[/quote]
This is why. You call me a six-year old when you have rejected what I have to say before I could even prove my point and instead continue to insult me and my opinion instead of just stating your point. Does it really serve a purpose for you to sit here and state how remarkably stupid you think I am?
The reason why I am not bringing up evidence and going in to a dispute with you is because of what I had just said in the previous post. The only way to prove my point is to look up "scientific" research on what has proven to be a political tool which means the research of course cannot be trusted. Do you really believe I can't easily find some evidence of my stance in a couple minutes? So, instead, I tell you to make your own choice and look at the labels of the formula you are using and go to your doctor and ask for a list of the contents of breastmilk and the contents of your breastmilk according to your diet.
Also, I would like to apologise for calling breast-feeding archaic. I was just in a bad mood at the time. I do believe it is a person's choice but after looking at the facts, I believe breast milk is not as great as it is made out to be.
Oh, and deacon, please don't tell me you're serious. How about the Women's rights groups? Wait, no, that would mean that a political group wouldn't have some completely obvious name stating what they stand for and that the groups, instead, have huge, varied agendas that you most likely would only agree partially with. That would mean that you would have to look at more than just the title of a political group. Nevermind, you're right, there is no such thing as a political group that has a multi-faceted agenda. Srry, my mistake.
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[quote="jimkatai";p="492100"]you have rejected what I have to say before I could even prove my point[/quote]
Wait...this isn't a real-time conversation. How in the world you could say "before I could even prove my point" when we're talking about you having all day, all week, however long you want to take to put it all together? And when asked about it, you brushed it off. And when someone brought those actions up later and in passing, you act as though you're up on a cross or something.
[quote="Deacon";p="490689"][quote="jimkatai";p="490497"]Funny how the FDA can come out with scientific research that supports breast milk when the research is being pushed for by a special interest group that supports breast feeding.[/quote]
Which, exactly, is the Breast Feeding special interest group? How do they have power? What do they gain by people breastfeeding their children and not using formula?[/quote]
Those are very simple, direct questions with short, simple, and direct answers, if they have any answer at all other than, "Oh, actually, I guess I am full of shit." The last question was somewhat rhetorical, though it seems you've more or less answered it based on the content of your replies:
Wait...this isn't a real-time conversation. How in the world you could say "before I could even prove my point" when we're talking about you having all day, all week, however long you want to take to put it all together? And when asked about it, you brushed it off. And when someone brought those actions up later and in passing, you act as though you're up on a cross or something.
Apparently you haven't learned anything from it, so I guess not.Does it really serve a purpose for you to sit here and state how remarkably stupid you think I am?
The extent to which that paragraph made no sense is, not surprisingly, not suprising at all.The reason why I am not bringing up evidence and going in to a dispute with you is because of what I had just said in the previous post. The only way to prove my point is to look up "scientific" research on what has proven to be a political tool which means the research of course cannot be trusted. Do you really believe I can't easily find some evidence of my stance in a couple minutes? So, instead, I tell you to make your own choice and look at the labels of the formula you are using and go to your doctor and ask for a list of the contents of breastmilk and the contents of your breastmilk according to your diet.
The mistakes you've made are myriad, but the one we'll address here is the way you failed utterly to answer any of my questions, which I'll recap here for you to save you the time of scrolling up a few posts:Oh, and deacon, please don't tell me you're serious. How about the Women's rights groups? Wait, no, that would mean that a political group wouldn't have some completely obvious name stating what they stand for and that the groups, instead, have huge, varied agendas that you most likely would only agree partially with. That would mean that you would have to look at more than just the title of a political group. Nevermind, you're right, there is no such thing as a political group that has a multi-faceted agenda. Srry, my mistake.
[quote="Deacon";p="490689"][quote="jimkatai";p="490497"]Funny how the FDA can come out with scientific research that supports breast milk when the research is being pushed for by a special interest group that supports breast feeding.[/quote]
Which, exactly, is the Breast Feeding special interest group? How do they have power? What do they gain by people breastfeeding their children and not using formula?[/quote]
Those are very simple, direct questions with short, simple, and direct answers, if they have any answer at all other than, "Oh, actually, I guess I am full of shit." The last question was somewhat rhetorical, though it seems you've more or less answered it based on the content of your replies:
Do you realize how big an idiot you're making of yourself, the rest of your shockingly horrid post aside?
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[quote="jimkatai";p="492114"]Well, I've said what I've wanted to, so I'll stop stroking Deacon's ego and stop arguing.[/quote]
What's frustrating is that I'd rather you actually participate constructively in this discussion rather than to just win the argument by tucking your tail between your legs and scampering off without even ONE explanation or source. I don't think you've learned anything at all out of it, which is depressing.
What's frustrating is that I'd rather you actually participate constructively in this discussion rather than to just win the argument by tucking your tail between your legs and scampering off without even ONE explanation or source. I don't think you've learned anything at all out of it, which is depressing.
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[quote="jimkatai";p="492100"] Do you really believe I can't easily find some evidence of my stance in a couple minutes? [/quote]
Uhhhh...
So how about you take the time you took to write out a bunch of jibberish and, you know.. do it?
Uhhhh...
So how about you take the time you took to write out a bunch of jibberish and, you know.. do it?
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Portland %#!&ing OregonDeacon wrote:I don't think my birth canal can handle it
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Eh, I just don't think he can come up with any sources... I think he had some kind of traumatic anime-esque accident in the past with a woman breast feeding and just won't admit that it's better than anything man-made 
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Personally, I don't have a problem with it, it's not really a big deal, as long as the woman isn't trying to give off the sense of, "HEY, I'M BREASTFEEDING, LOOK AT ME!!!!"
...Personally, I don't have a problem with it, it's not really a big deal, as long as the woman isn't trying to give off the sense of, "HEY, I'M BREASTFEEDING, LOOK AT ME!!!!"
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Portland %#!&ing OregonDeacon wrote:I don't think my birth canal can handle it
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I'm going to assume that by voting "Smaointe", I'm voting for the "meh, I have no issue with it" crowd (all three of us), and that I'm not throwing away my vote (for once).
Personally, I have no issue with breastfeeding in public at all - I learned to deal with it when my sister in law used to breastfeed her first son three years ago. It's not that big an issue, it's not like it's remotely pornographic (unless you get off on that kind of thing you sick fuck), nor will it result in the society as we know it being flung into the gaping maw of Communism.
I don't agree with KitsuneMusume in the least, if I hadn't made that obvious enough, and I firmly believe that if you're prudish enough to find breastfeeding distasteful, you could at least take the time to look in the other direction and get over it.
Personally, I have no issue with breastfeeding in public at all - I learned to deal with it when my sister in law used to breastfeed her first son three years ago. It's not that big an issue, it's not like it's remotely pornographic (unless you get off on that kind of thing you sick fuck), nor will it result in the society as we know it being flung into the gaping maw of Communism.
I don't agree with KitsuneMusume in the least, if I hadn't made that obvious enough, and I firmly believe that if you're prudish enough to find breastfeeding distasteful, you could at least take the time to look in the other direction and get over it.
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I read this: [quote="jimkatai";p="492346"]The only way to prove my point is to look up "scientific" research on what has proven to be a political tool which means the research of course cannot be trusted.[/quote]
as: "All the research is biased! You can't trust any of it."
and this: [quote="jimkatai";p="492100"]Do you really believe I can't easily find some evidence of my stance in a couple minutes? [/quote]
as: "If I wanted to, I could easily find some research that would support my claims."
Contradict yourself much?
as: "All the research is biased! You can't trust any of it."
and this: [quote="jimkatai";p="492100"]Do you really believe I can't easily find some evidence of my stance in a couple minutes? [/quote]
as: "If I wanted to, I could easily find some research that would support my claims."
Contradict yourself much?
[quote="RandyWang";p="492354"]...you could at least take the time to look in the other direction and get over it.[/quote]
*nods*
if there's a child in the room, the welfare of the child stands above the welfare of everyone in the room.
My right to free speach is not more important to your right to not have me wake you at 4am by singing German Folk songs outside your window.
The child's right to feed is higher than my right to not have to see veiny lady boobs, because the child has to feed, but I don't have to look.
Now, being civil and all, the mother should try options like covering the child's head with a blanket (but in my experiance babies hate having blanket's on thier heads, feeding or no), or using a pump, but that comes down to a "please don't be a dick" advisory.
I mean, there are worse things to be subjected to on the bus, obnoxious idiots, woefull B.O, those fucking jamster ringtones etc...
*nods*
if there's a child in the room, the welfare of the child stands above the welfare of everyone in the room.
My right to free speach is not more important to your right to not have me wake you at 4am by singing German Folk songs outside your window.
The child's right to feed is higher than my right to not have to see veiny lady boobs, because the child has to feed, but I don't have to look.
Now, being civil and all, the mother should try options like covering the child's head with a blanket (but in my experiance babies hate having blanket's on thier heads, feeding or no), or using a pump, but that comes down to a "please don't be a dick" advisory.
I mean, there are worse things to be subjected to on the bus, obnoxious idiots, woefull B.O, those fucking jamster ringtones etc...
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[quote="BadMonkey";p="492403"]if there's a child in the room, the welfare of the child stands above the welfare of everyone in the room.[/quote]
That's a pretty broad statement to make. Children are important, but they are not automatically more important than everyone else in the room.
The point is, it would be SO easy to keep (almost) everyone happy by being discreet... so why does it have to be a big deal? Why should 20 people in a restaurant all turn the other way, instead of a woman pulling a cardigan across herself?
I STRONGLY support a woman's right to feed in public if she needs to.. but the ability to lactate doesn't make someone a VIP with an all-areas pass to do whatever they like.
It's SO EASY. Pull your shirt over. Pop a towel over your shoulder. Be discreet. Now we can all enjoy our dinner together!
That's a pretty broad statement to make. Children are important, but they are not automatically more important than everyone else in the room.
The baby HAS to feed. I HAVE to eat. I have the right to enjoy my meal as much as the baby has a right to enjoy its mealThe child's right to feed is higher than my right to not have to see veiny lady boobs, because the child has to feed, but I don't have to look.
The point is, it would be SO easy to keep (almost) everyone happy by being discreet... so why does it have to be a big deal? Why should 20 people in a restaurant all turn the other way, instead of a woman pulling a cardigan across herself?
I STRONGLY support a woman's right to feed in public if she needs to.. but the ability to lactate doesn't make someone a VIP with an all-areas pass to do whatever they like.
It's SO EASY. Pull your shirt over. Pop a towel over your shoulder. Be discreet. Now we can all enjoy our dinner together!
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Is it really that hard to understand? I could find research supporting spontaneous generation if there was a political group that backed it up and if you were willing to believe what was in that research paper then it would be completely believable. The only problem is this proof is really worthless when it comes to actually making it useful to one's self. All I'm saying is look it up yourself. Look at the ingredients on the back of formula products and the daily percentage values. These are more trustworthy.
After doing that, look at your own life when you are willing to make the choice. Do you smoke? Do you drink? Do you eat foods or drink liquids that may be unhealthy for the baby? Are you consuming enough nutrients for both you and the baby? These are all important issues. I'm not disputing the fact that breast milk improves a baby's immune system. What I am saying is that there are other factors and it isn't as cut and dry as do you breast feed or not. The reason why I don't believe breast feeding is suitable is because it is very hard for a woman to have a suitable body for breast feeding, and that fact is not usually looked at.
I repeat I was being rash before when I called breast feeding archaic. I'm in a pretty good mood right now so what I'm saying right now should hold true to what I actually personally believe.
After doing that, look at your own life when you are willing to make the choice. Do you smoke? Do you drink? Do you eat foods or drink liquids that may be unhealthy for the baby? Are you consuming enough nutrients for both you and the baby? These are all important issues. I'm not disputing the fact that breast milk improves a baby's immune system. What I am saying is that there are other factors and it isn't as cut and dry as do you breast feed or not. The reason why I don't believe breast feeding is suitable is because it is very hard for a woman to have a suitable body for breast feeding, and that fact is not usually looked at.
I repeat I was being rash before when I called breast feeding archaic. I'm in a pretty good mood right now so what I'm saying right now should hold true to what I actually personally believe.
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