Another Breast Feeding Poll

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[quote="jimkatai";p="492621"]The reason why I don't believe breast feeding is suitable is because it is very hard for a woman to have a suitable body for breast feeding, and that fact is not usually looked at.[/quote]

Umm. Boobies (yay, I got to have a legit reason to say boobies for once! ) come standard on all women I've ever had the chance to meet. While some are more sized than others, this doesn't relate upon their ability to lactate if they had a child that was still nursing.

Because I found a nice, fun link with everything about breastfeeding in it, I am pleased to share it for your reading entertainment!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactation (Warning, there is a scientific pic of the insides of a booby, and there are pics of children nursing. Nothing that you haven't all seen in a textbook. Heck, I've seen worse on banner ads of yahoo mail, but I'm just warning you.)

And, jim, I did look around for the anti-breast feeding research because I honestly did want to see the other side of this argument, and thought I could post links and quotes if I found anything that was legitimatly scientific research.

I found a few sites naming off medications that may prove harmful to the infant if the mother were to breastfeed (a completely legit reason in my book), infections that would cause a women to choose not to breastfeed because of risk to the infant (yet another legit concern), and diseases, like HIV/AIDS, that would cause a woman not to want to breastfeed (also another completely legit reason), but I saw no honest sign of a reason for a completely healthy mother to not breastfeed her child, or any evidence that formula was in any way or form better than breasfeeding.

[jimkatai]

Diet and things like drinking and smoking which could possibly effect (is it effect or affect?) the baby. It wouldn't actually hurt the baby to smoke (if you didn't smoke around the baby) but it could possibly raise the baby's chances of becoming addicted to cigarettes when it grows up. Diet has it's obvious applications. You can't give your baby the proper nutrients if you don't have them and remember that your body will feed you before it feeds the baby. Drinking and breastfeeding has been shown to possibly contribute to the likeliness of liver problems for a baby when it grows up.

Now the problem is people are, on the overall gamete, not informed enough to know to keep track of all these things and it is dangerous to tell people just to breast feed and let that be the end of the message. Now you may think that I don't think people are responsible enough for them to make a choice, but that is not what I'm saying. People are plenty responsible but only if the information is EASILY accessable and in tandem with the positive information on the subject.

I guess the real issue is that the most accessable information on important subjects like breast feeding or other various subjects should have a "pro & con" approach instead of seperating the pros and cons which often happens since everyone wants someone else to decide if something is right or not.

[RandyWang]

Drinking and breastfeeding has been shown to possibly contribute to the likeliness of liver problems for a baby when it grows up.

Bewbs cause cancer? Goddamn, you could have told me earlier!

That aside (and I'll forever hate you for that), would care to:

1. Cite your bloody source, please? Saying "It has been shown!!" and "EVERYONE knows!" is an admission that you have no evidence.

2. Tell us exactly how such an ambiguous statement as "PROVEN to be possibly play a part, however small" can actually mean anything in the context of what should be a scientific, or at least well-informed, debate?

People are plenty responsible but only if the information is EASILY accessable and in tandem with the positive information on the subject.

You mean there's not? Or that there's some consipiracy to drive the information underground?

[BadMonkey]

[quote="Smaointe";p="492543"]
The point is, it would be SO easy to keep (almost) everyone happy by being discreet... so why does it have to be a big deal? Why should 20 people in a restaurant all turn the other way, instead of a woman pulling a cardigan across herself?

I STRONGLY support a woman's right to feed in public if she needs to.. but the ability to lactate doesn't make someone a VIP with an all-areas pass to do whatever they like.

It's SO EASY. Pull your shirt over. Pop a towel over your shoulder. Be discreet. Now we can all enjoy our dinner together! [/quote]

that's kinda what I'm talking about, but what I beleive is that the mother must feed the child, but from a point of view of not being an arsehole to everyone else, should take reasonable measures to not negativly impact the quality of life for everyone else in the vicinity.

but, also, other people should try to not get so wound up about it, as there are worse things people can do.

[Vektor T. Gecko]

Is it really that hard to understand? I could find research supporting spontaneous generation if there was a political group that backed it up and if you were willing to believe what was in that research paper then it would be completely believable. The only problem is this proof is really worthless when it comes to actually making it useful to one's self.

I have a hard time believing that you're actually asserting that because SOME research may be influenced by political pressure, that there's no way to determine legitimate research from "political research". That's what we have peer-reviewed scientific journals for. Sure, any crackpot can claim to have initiated cold fusion, but until it's been published in a scientific journal, and some other scientists have duplicated the conditions and corroborated the evidence, it holds just slightly more weight than flat-earth theory.

Additionally, you can't discount ALL research because a small fraction of research that actually manages to make it past the "crackpot" stage in a respectable scientific community is actually politically motivated. Do you stop eating because SOME food may be bad for you? Better discount that whole "gravity" thing, kids. Science is flawed!

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Now the problem is people are, on the overall gamete, not informed enough to know to keep track of all these things and it is dangerous to tell people just to breast feed and let that be the end of the message. Now you may think that I don't think people are responsible enough for them to make a choice, but that is not what I'm saying. People are plenty responsible but only if the information is EASILY accessable and in tandem with the positive information on the subject.

In response, I point up and say:
[quote="gravity";p="492637"]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactation (Warning, there is a scientific pic of the insides of a booby, and there are pics of children nursing. Nothing that you haven't all seen in a textbook. Heck, I've seen worse on banner ads of yahoo mail, but I'm just warning you.)
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Better discount that whole "gravity" thing, kids. Science is flawed!

But I LIKE existing!

Yeah, Vek is right, peer reviewed articles from scientific journals are some of the most reliable sources there are, but sometimes harder to find. I'm lucky, I have access to Ebsco Host for such uses (Ebsco Host is a search engine for scientific journals), but I can't really link the stuff unless you guys have a login and password, so I've been kind and linking reliable pages available for the viewing of all.

[Deacon]

Everyone keeps talking about "rights' but not "responsibilities" regarding free speech and eating and such. Sure, you have a right to eat, but to stand at the buffet line buck-ass nekkid is not covered under that "right". Your free speech rights do not ethically supercede your responsibility to exercise those rights appropriately--which doeds not include caterwauling German folk songs outside a window at 4am. Hell, that's not free speech either way, but that's for a different thread.

Sure, the baby needs to feed, but that doesn't mean that it absolves the mother of all responsibility to take the people around her into account.

[gravity]

[quote="Deacon";p="492830"]Sure, you have a right to eat, but to stand at the buffet line buck-ass nekkid is not covered under that "right". [/quote]

Actually, in some states, you can.

But the point is well made, with every right comes a responsibility.

[Arminius]

[quote="BadMonkey";p="492712"]but, also, other people should try to not get so wound up about it, as there are worse things people can do.[/quote]
You're right. It seems that breastfeeding offends a lot of people in some cultures. Where I live breastfeeding is almost ignored, in restaurants, mall, everywhere. We do what we have to do, no big deal.

[Teranfirbt]

Arminius, it's like in the South Park movie:
"You allow horrific acts of violence to be displayed on TV, and yet you can't take a little naughty language"
Americans are REALLY prudish when it comes to public nudity, we just don't stand for it....

[Nukinblackmage]

What we need to do is hold a Nude Parade in every major city in the US. And broadcast it over every network