El Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán

[Spongiform]

[quote="Blaze";p="490904"]Can I ask why HISPANICS would feel that any part of the Americas is their own?

Hispanics, for the most part, have their heritage in SPAIN.[/quote]


I think this is supposed to be more native-mexican sort of thing. descendants of the Aztecs and Mayas, and all that.

[Blaze]

Then why do they talk about Hispanic members rather than Native American members?

[Arc Orion]

Aztlan is derived from Aztec.

1. In Aztec legend, the original home of the Aztec people, held to have been located in northwest Mexico.
2. The American Southwest, specifically the territory of northern Mexico ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. The term is used especially by Chicano-rights activists.

Also, hispanic refers to anyone who comes from a Spanish speaking country. At this point, the ancestry of the majority of modern hispanics in North America are mestizo. So it's not just Spanish people who make up hispanics.

[Martin Blank]

In reading further, I've found that they often don't like the term "Hispanic," preferring "Chicano" instead because it highlights the native background.

[Fixer]

[quote="Blaze";p="491298"]Then why do they talk about Hispanic members rather than Native American members?[/quote]
Probably because most of us Native Americans know better than to associate with them.

While there are some biological similarities between Chicano and Native Americans, there are pretty strong cultural differences. The Native American tribes which remain are the relatively peaceful and pacifistic tribes (primarily due to the more warlike ones getting themselves killed) and have little or nothing to gain by insisting on their own country. Hell, the BIA pretty much keeps the Native Americans from doing anything political.

[nukethewhalesagain]

I think its prety stupid to be talking about this. This group doesn't seem to be a viable threat. The gangs in East LA don't like each other so they will never join together for a cause as dumb as this. Especially since I'm sure some of their girlfriends or moms are on welfare anyway. This group is less of a threat to America than those freaks in Texas who want Texas to go back to being a country. Those guys have actually taken hostages before. I haven't been able to find any mention of th Mecha group doing any criminal activity.

[Deacon]

nukethewhalesagain, which guys?

[nukethewhalesagain]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/repub ... blic2.html

[Deacon]

Heh, awesome. I hadn't heard about them in years.

[sergio]

To add context. "La raza" means a lot of stuff.

a) The race, as Martin pointed.
b) "Our people", in some communities, usually the not-so-rich ones (here in Mexico City, at least).
c) Derogative term for "poor people", used by people in the middle-high or high economic level.

Go live in Latin America, especially Mexico, for a couple of years. You'll begin to understand the overwhelming current of ignorance and bald-faced stupidity that sucks in and subsequently drowns everyone and everything in its path.

I find that very disturbing, and insulting. I've seen more ignorance in people like you than in the average latin american. I don't understand why people like you are still roaming in the forums.

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And, they call themselves "hispanics" for a historical reason. When the other european nations came to the New World, they didn't mix with the natives. Some obliterated them to gain their territory. Spain didn't kill for the pleasure of it, and after a brief period (20 years, at most), they started mingling with the natives. We had "criollos" (sons of Spanish people born here) and "mestizos", "mulatos", and a bunch of other 32 combos - by then, they stopped creating names for them. The US is in a big % white people, while we are mostly mestizos. For simplicity, all the mixes between Spainards and aztecs, toltecs, mixtecs, and so, are called "hispanics". The ones that moved to the US called themselves "chicanos", but they still fall in the "hispanic" definition.

[Fixer]

Sergio!!! LTNS, DUDE!
[quote="sergio";p="492784"]

Go live in Latin America, especially Mexico, for a couple of years. You'll begin to understand the overwhelming current of ignorance and bald-faced stupidity that sucks in and subsequently drowns everyone and everything in its path.

I find that very disturbing, and insulting. I've seen more ignorance in people like you than in the average latin american. I don't understand why people like you are still roaming in the forums.[/quote]
It is like trying to get rid of cancer, really. This one is usually benign, but he has his moments of "open-mouth-insert-foot" like the rest of us.

[sergio]

If he at least did it in context, I'd let it be. But out of nowhere? Just because he dislikes us? He can go to a neonazi forum, he can spit his remarks and be congratulated for them, without me knowing about it :/

BTW, LTNS Fixer It's nice to see you around again

[Deacon]

sergio, people say horrible things about Americans and America all the time, and sometimes they're right. I'm sorry, but after living in Latin America for 6 years, mostly my "formative years" (primarily 11 to 16), I belive I do have some leeway afforded me, here. Latin America is, in general, a backwards part of the world. Not as bad as other parts, but nowhere near as good as they should be. The cultures, as I've explained before, have their good and their bad just like anywhere else. The problem is that the good is so often overwhelmed and overshadowed by the bad and by the total lack of integrity.

[nukethewhalesagain]

But saying that an entire ethnic group of people is stupid without some kind of example of stupidity commited by the entire ethnic race makes you sound like a bigot. Sorry but it does.

[StruckingFuggle]

Well, NTWA, he wasn't talking about the race so much as the culture that is 99.howmanyninesdoyouwant% occupied by that race.