It has begun, again, for real this time...(new computer)

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:50 am

I finally have everything sorted out to get ready for my new computer. It will probably be awhile before I get it up, running and pics on the net but they will come.

As for a case, I plan on using a heavily modded Lian Li PC-60APlus. From what I have read, this case is perfect, no cutting to get the 120mm fan and radiator up front, making pump placement and tube running alot easier in water cooled systems. Just pull out the extra HD cage then grind off the rivets to remove the rails. If I get creative, I hear I can keep the front USB ports.

As for the rest well take a look:
Lazer etched window, this company can have any window you want etched.
5.25" Fan Controller mostly for keeping tabs on the system at a glance.
This and this will cover those ugly non-silver drives I'll be using all covered up.
Two 12" liquid neons and two 4" cathodes will make this thing nice and bright inside.
The rest I put in a list at newegg.

The HDs will be in Raid-0 for my gaming, sure if one goes out I lose everything but if I got it once I can get it again right? I may or may not get the items from the companies I linked to, just depends on where I can get a better deal when buy time comes.
Also, if you have a reccomendation for a better or different item on my list let me know, keep in mind I'm going for a really clean silver and black outside with a really bright and neat inside.

FireAza · Post by **FireAza** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:55 am

I don't really trust water cooling, water and electronic components don't mix.

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:05 am

I totally understand the lack of trust in water cooling. There are chemicals that lower the conductive nature of water, not to mention as an overclocker this was a logical step for me. Just one of those risks I'm willing to take to further my cause of buring up components long before they should.

AzraeL · Post by **AzraeL** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:14 pm

pure h20 doesnt conduct electricity anyway, its the ions in solution which do it...

Siljmonster · Post by **Siljmonster** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:23 pm

Just get Zalmans instead of water cooling. http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/usa_index.asp
Quiet, small, sleak, cool.
I still feel no need for water cooling solutions. Kind of a waste of money in my opinion, if you want to do some real cooling, put your whole system in non-flammable oil. Except the HD of course.

pc486 · Post by **pc486** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:48 pm

I'll put in a vote in favor of water cooling. Every fan cut from the system is noise saved, and noise is a big factor for me. Also, the risk of a leaky system is very low if you put it together correctly and test it before lighting up the hardware. And, as always, water can cool far more effectively than air can and does much better in warm climates making it ideal for overclocking or heavy work loads.

Zalman does make nice water cooling systems as well. That system can be used passively (convection to move the water) as well as actively.The only thing to worry about with something like that is corrosion, which is easily avoidable.

Siljmonster · Post by **Siljmonster** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:16 pm

Get a good case, and Zalmans, you lose sound. Sound is a big issue yes, but without it, you dont know if those fans are a spinnin!

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:31 am

My last computer was a fan-cooled rig (10 fans and alot of duct work inside) and I just couldn't reach the numbers the water cooled guys did when OCing. Not to mention ten 60-80mm fans make alot of noise. The case I have picked out will allow me to use two 120mm and two 60mm (on a low speed than the 120mm to lower the noise) to cool the case with a 120mm to cool the PS. As for the WC set-up, I want everything in the case. The flow will be reservoir to the pump, the pump to the radiator, radiator to the CPU block, two lines out of CPU block, one line to each VGA block, VGA blocks to a Y connector, Y to the north bridge, north bridge to the reservoir.

Killer-Rabbit · Post by **Killer-Rabbit** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:44 pm

All that and you are only putting in 1GB of RAM?

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:06 pm

I tend to start with that much then add until I find how much I really need.

edge · Post by **edge** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:46 pm

Water cooling is safe - as long as you do your research and understand how it works. As long as it's setup right, it's very effective, and there is very little risk. It may cost more than a heastink/fan, but it's worth the effort and money if you really want to OC.

And just incase anybody get's any funny ideas: I've heard a few people comment to me recently that they want to set up water cooling and plan to add automotive coolant (Antifreeze) to it. All I can say is this: No. AntiFreeze doesn't chill as much and as fast as water (obviously- as it doesn't freeze), and thus it's not as effective a solution. Just stick with the directions

Arc Orion · Post by **Arc Orion** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:11 pm

Wouldn't that anti-freeze doesn't freeze as easily be a boon? Since it doesn't freeze, you can reach lower temperatures, right? Of course, it still sounds like a bad idea, if the cooling system isn't made for it. I honestly don't know anything about water cooling, though.

Except, of course, that there is water involved. Yeah.

edge · Post by **edge** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:10 pm

Well, with water cooling in a PC, you'd need to have one hell of a refridgeration system to make it freeze

My point was that water will cool to a lower temperature, thus giving you a cooler system, whereas anti-freeze wont chill as much, and your system will run hotter. Antifreeze is designed like that, as cars need to run warmer in the winter, and cooler in the summer (thus you add water in the summer, rather than antifreeze).

PhoenixGeek · Post by **PhoenixGeek** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:19 pm

Actually antifreeze is used to lower the freezing point and raise the boiling point of water. If you have a mix of H20 and AntiFreeze you can get the temperature of the liquid below 32 F, thus providing more cooling to the proccessor.

edge · Post by **edge** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:21 pm

Which would be sweet, but I havn't seen it happen yet :-/

Except for that one that they OC'ed to 8GHz or something like that... But they were using something else to cool it.

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