Did you read the previous post?It sucks big time that they can't get in.
Relief? Anyone?
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Re: Relief? Anyone?
Just adding a little fuel to the fire . . .
I have to agree that the attitude of the first poster seemed a little proud and full of entitlement. As though we give aid because we expect it in return when needed, not that we give because there is a need and we like to be humane. I do not agree.
International aid isn't some sort of insurance program. Nor do I believe we should be comparing donation statistics, like peacocks showing our feathers. I would hope that we all can rise to the occasion each time a tragedy strikes - anywhere - regardless of whether the target is Hawaii or Haiti, Indiana or Indonesia, and together help however we can.
If you think of the world like a neighborhood block, and each neighbor helps each other out in times of need, when the rich person's daughter dies, you don't say "well, they are rich enough to take care of the funeral" and forget about them. Perhaps you give a donation as a show of support. Perhaps you send flowers so they know you were thinking of them. Perhaps you just come and stand by the casket, or offer a hug and a good word. The rich neighbor is still human, after all. And riches do not lessen any sort of human tragedy.
The moral of the story is - even if we didn't need financial help - I feel we need moral support. And if we do need financial help, I just would pray that others be generous. Humble in the asking, grateful in the recieving. Never demanding or boastful.
I have to agree that the attitude of the first poster seemed a little proud and full of entitlement. As though we give aid because we expect it in return when needed, not that we give because there is a need and we like to be humane. I do not agree.
International aid isn't some sort of insurance program. Nor do I believe we should be comparing donation statistics, like peacocks showing our feathers. I would hope that we all can rise to the occasion each time a tragedy strikes - anywhere - regardless of whether the target is Hawaii or Haiti, Indiana or Indonesia, and together help however we can.
If you think of the world like a neighborhood block, and each neighbor helps each other out in times of need, when the rich person's daughter dies, you don't say "well, they are rich enough to take care of the funeral" and forget about them. Perhaps you give a donation as a show of support. Perhaps you send flowers so they know you were thinking of them. Perhaps you just come and stand by the casket, or offer a hug and a good word. The rich neighbor is still human, after all. And riches do not lessen any sort of human tragedy.
The moral of the story is - even if we didn't need financial help - I feel we need moral support. And if we do need financial help, I just would pray that others be generous. Humble in the asking, grateful in the recieving. Never demanding or boastful.
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[quote="Springy";p="540431"]
edit: a new article I read says the Canadian Red Cross are on their way to Texas.[/quote]
Can always count on the good ole Re Cross to do as much as they can. It isn't that the Red Cross can't get in, it's just being really controlled.
Yes, I did.Did you read the previous post?
edit: a new article I read says the Canadian Red Cross are on their way to Texas.[/quote]
Can always count on the good ole Re Cross to do as much as they can. It isn't that the Red Cross can't get in, it's just being really controlled.
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*nods* I love how they also want to really try and boost the morale of everyone, I saw them going on the plane with guitars and such. *gives the red cross a pat on the back* I'm sure once things settle down in some of the areas hit by the sotrm they'll be able to move in and help out there if wanted/needed.
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Re: Relief? Anyone?
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The moral of the story is - even if we didn't need financial help - I feel we need moral support. And if we do need financial help, I just would pray that others be generous. Humble in the asking, grateful in the recieving. Never demanding or boastful.[/quote]
Well, i'm sure Roma will apologize his attitude towards the rest of the world and thank EU, NATO, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, etc...for coming to the aid as soon as they could.
The moral of the story is - even if we didn't need financial help - I feel we need moral support. And if we do need financial help, I just would pray that others be generous. Humble in the asking, grateful in the recieving. Never demanding or boastful.[/quote]
Well, i'm sure Roma will apologize his attitude towards the rest of the world and thank EU, NATO, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, etc...for coming to the aid as soon as they could.
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[quote="Springy";p="539167"] why has it taken so long for the navy to send ships? [/quote]
'cause the US Maritime Administration HAS been sending civilian training ships because they are better suited for relief efforts due to the fact that they each have to house at least a 700 people and can operate with a crew of 25 while most navy vessells smaller than aircraft carriers only have rooming for 200 officers most of which are considered absolutely neccessary for the ship's efficient opperation. we just don't hear about the actions of agencies like MarAd these days.
'cause the US Maritime Administration HAS been sending civilian training ships because they are better suited for relief efforts due to the fact that they each have to house at least a 700 people and can operate with a crew of 25 while most navy vessells smaller than aircraft carriers only have rooming for 200 officers most of which are considered absolutely neccessary for the ship's efficient opperation. we just don't hear about the actions of agencies like MarAd these days.
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thanks. I'm glad the relief efforts seem to be a little more organized now. Whats still kinda bugging me is the people who still refuse to leave so they're living off the dropped water and rations.
Not really surprising though. Its a tough job, and people will crack. Sad though.
Anyone heard anything new about the bridge shooting thing?
Anyone heard anything new about the bridge shooting thing?
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[quote="Springy";p="539167"]Or that the US never really gives two shits about other countries. I don't recall the US jumping in right away to help out in any of the world wars, or the genocide in Rwanda.
The Tsunami victims had no warning. For the most part over there media is non-existant, even if the Tsunami had been detected most of the people living in small villages would never know. In the US, plenty of warning was given to get the f*** out of there. I know that not everyon ehad the means of getting out of there but why has it taken so long for the navy to send ships? Why don't you ask your own country for support instead of expecting the rest of us to throw money at you. *Especially* When plans to rebuild bigger and -better- are already in place. I don't want to give money to an area that could get hit again and be destroyed.
I don't see the US giving money to any of the small islands that have been hit with hurricanes in the past. Don't expect other countires to always be willing to give $$ to you when a disaster strikes, we have our own problems too, you know.[/quote]
I love you... and i'm american! I completely understand your beliefs about the "get the f*** outta there" cause the warning was sent. I guess the difference between the north east and the south is that the north east takes the warnings and decides "hey a killer hurricane is coming this way... who wants a family vacation to (insert random place in world)?" It is a trajety that happened in Louisiana and Mississippi and those states but they had more than enough warning and even though there was warning, the government took 5 days to even decide to send a few navy ships with supplies down there... they were ready on the second day after the hurricane hit and they did nothing.
The Tsunami victims had no warning. For the most part over there media is non-existant, even if the Tsunami had been detected most of the people living in small villages would never know. In the US, plenty of warning was given to get the f*** out of there. I know that not everyon ehad the means of getting out of there but why has it taken so long for the navy to send ships? Why don't you ask your own country for support instead of expecting the rest of us to throw money at you. *Especially* When plans to rebuild bigger and -better- are already in place. I don't want to give money to an area that could get hit again and be destroyed.
I don't see the US giving money to any of the small islands that have been hit with hurricanes in the past. Don't expect other countires to always be willing to give $$ to you when a disaster strikes, we have our own problems too, you know.[/quote]
I love you... and i'm american! I completely understand your beliefs about the "get the f*** outta there" cause the warning was sent. I guess the difference between the north east and the south is that the north east takes the warnings and decides "hey a killer hurricane is coming this way... who wants a family vacation to (insert random place in world)?" It is a trajety that happened in Louisiana and Mississippi and those states but they had more than enough warning and even though there was warning, the government took 5 days to even decide to send a few navy ships with supplies down there... they were ready on the second day after the hurricane hit and they did nothing.
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I'm sure you missed the post I put up about why it takes so long to get military anywhere so I'll put a short version up for you. We can't just send them in, there is alot of red tape that has to be proccessed before federal troops can react to non-military situations. This red tape was put in place back after the revolution and they wanted to insure that no garrison was placed in a city indefinatly. The news also seemed to suddenly stop reporting on some areas, did you notice that? That was because aid got there and started so things began to stabilize, no news in that ya know. New Orleans took longer because they had to wait for the water to stabilize, water comming past the levey was rushing in, not to mention the water was like 17-20ft deep, only amphibious vehicles can get in that deep.
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