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Euthanatos · Post by **Euthanatos** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:09 am

This wheelchair thing is idiotic. People in wheelchairs don't exist in a vacuum; of the three people I know who are permanently confined to wheelchairs, they all have support people. Whether it's a family member, good friends, or a spouse, people in a wheelchair understand their limited mobility and heightened needs and have someone they can call on. Assuming they'll just putt around on their own is ludicrous. I'm not saying they aren't independent and mobile people, I'm saying that anyone in the lifelong position of requiring a wheelchair understands the basic fact that they will need more help than most and have people to assist them. Further, someone in that condition will be among the first to evacuate; the last thing they want is to potentially be trapped alone in a survival situation.
Saying otherwise is absurd. Yes, not everyone in a wheelchair got out beforehand, or even wanted to leave, but thinking of them as lonely hermits hunkering down for the storm just isn't at all in touch with reality.

pc486 · Post by **pc486** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:47 am

The core issuse I have with the whole "they have wheelchairs, make use of them" argument is that it didn't happen and it would have if it were possible (people are not stupid). Are wheelchair users less mobile? Yes. Do they "exist in a vacuum?" Heck no. Do they have reachable outside support? Much more often than not, yes.

Did the disabled get out safely? No.

The sick (hospitals), the elderly (assisted living), and the disabled were people hurt or killed by extreemly poor planning by their neghborhood and by the local government.

Hylius the LC · Post by **Hylius the LC** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:02 am

A lot of the elderly in the homes died simply because the owners abandoned them. Such people better be greatly punished.

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:55 am

[quote="Hylius the LC";p="544230"]A lot of the elderly in the homes died simply because the owners abandoned them. Such people better be greatly punished.[/quote]
You can own the elderly?!? Ohh I'm so getting one, but it better already know how to go on the paper.

Just messing with ya dude.

Hylius the LC · Post by **Hylius the LC** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:57 pm

Rileyrat, I'd shake my fist at you... but you got me good

Post by **Martin Blank** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:28 pm

We're still sorting out who died where and why. The one nursing home where 30+ seniors died is a serious problem, but may be an anomaly, so painting the whole nursing home industry with that particular shade of yellow may be inappropriate.

Hylius the LC · Post by **Hylius the LC** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:23 pm

True, but I've heard of at least two I think. Not exactly sure though, there is so much stuff flying around it's hard telling.

Jezebel · Post by **Jezebel** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:39 pm

There were the deaths at the nursing home, and there were also the deaths at one of the local hospitals. That may be the other thing you are thinking of.

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