Battle star galactica

[TomXP411]

We know that a nuke hit the city. We saw the flash through Baltar's windows (it momentarily blinded him, if you remember), and the shockwave hit is house.

We also know that this killed Six.

The amount of force in that shockwave should have torn her and him to bits. I don't have the time right now to go back and time it, but there was maybe 10 seconds or less of dialog in there... meaning that they were perhaps 2 miles away from the blast...

read this:
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/read ... uclear.htm
At 2.7 miles, "Single-family residences within this this area have been completely blown away -- only their foundations remain"

That's only a for a 1 megaton blast. For a nuclear bomb, this is kind of small.

Baltar's house should have been completely levelled. Unless he was underground or behind a very thick barrier, he should have been not just killed, but ripped to pieces. Unless the writers are just playing fast and loose with the laws of physics, I don't see how he could have lived through that, as exposed as he and Six were.

Also, remember this: the line about "I've been back to his house..." was a complete fabrication. Go back and watch that scene again, and watch the by-play between Baltar and Six.

[Bigity]

Nope, it has never been stated what killed Six.

Actually the nuke looked like several miles away, more then enough distance to allow for buildings, and people, to survive the shockwave, especially cylons. We can't really count on the dialogue time allowed to figure out distances That's much too...Trekkie-ish.

Maybe they build stuff out of much better materials on Caprica.

Just because Rebirthed-Six was lying about that doesn't mean the site doesn't exist.

[Deacon]

Yeah, for some reason I was under the impression that she went back to where his house was.

[dmpotter]

SPOILER(ish)

When the priest dude randomly showed up on the planet, anyone else find themselves thinking "WTF is Al doing down there?"

I wonder which one of the crew Dr. Beckett is in...

[TomXP411]

LOL dmpotter.

I had the QL flashback last week when the Chief was in counselling.

I loved it.. a priest yelling, "I'm not a fracking Cylon!!"

I pretty much jumped out of my chair when the priest stepped out... "It's a miracle!"


So am I the only one that feels frustrated by the way this ended?

[Lizzegirle]

I had a different movie in mind when I saw him.

I was in a movie a few years ago where Dean Stockwell was one of the leads in it. (I was uncredited.) http://imdb.com/title/tt0282613/. So it was a weird moment to see him on screen again.

This was a weird ending. I felt that it was the final episode or something like that, since they jumped 1 year into the future. I didn't like that Apollo became fat too! So I feel depressed because it all seemed so final until the end. Maybe it was because they were wrapping up people's lives. They say that'll be back in October though.

[dmpotter]

Quantum Leap is a TV show, not a movie.

And I figured out sometime after I posted that why I immediately though "Al" - the priest on Caprica was wearing a very Al-like outfit. Al always had a hat like that on, and usually was pressed in a similar way. All that was missing was a cigar and a light-up LEGO PDA.

[Bigity]

Wow, one year and the military machine of the colonies totally falls apart.

You'd gotta be pretty dumb to give up access to weapons to defend yourself and your family to go live in a tent. A year and no permanent structures? Not even log cabins? Sad.

I think early next season is when we see the loss of the Pegasus, and some old cast members killed off. And Baltar will join the cylons in body as well as mind.

[darkstar2a]

[quote="Bigity";p="617101"] A year and no permanent structures? Not even log cabins? Sad.[/quote]

Given that there are over 40K people, it would not be surprising that they do not have a lot of permenant structures yet. Planting crops to feed the masses takes TOP priority -> Food then Shelter. Remember that food takes time to grow, plus you have to plant more than you think you'll need. Not just so you can store the extra, but because you don't know what will grow, what it will yield (many plants don't produce for a few seasons) and what might die in unknown weather conditions.

As for moving down, people had been cramped up for a LONG time, most with nowhere the kind of room they had on Galactica (remember, they are refuges). And ferrying up and down each day to work is NOT an option as fuel is an expendable that, even if they completely take it all away from the military, it could be better put to use powering infrastructure for tools, utilities, etc.

[Bigity]

Yea...and it takes all day for a year to plant crops? Come on. Weak argument.

True, but I should have said I was talking about the military folks, not the refugees. They'd get leave to go down every shift rotation, etc etc. Dunno about the fuel situation, I had thought they mined enough to keep the refinery ship going for quite some time.

[darkstar2a]

[quote="Bigity";p="617160"]Yea...and it takes all day for a year to plant crops? Come on. Weak argument.[/quote]

Without heavy duty equiptment (heck, even with), absolutely it could take all day for years to plant, watch and maintain the crops. The only farm I've worked on was a dairy farm, but part of my family where intercrop farmers (where you grow more than one crop in the same field) and it's an all day, every day life. Farmers work their butts off, even with the advances of modern tech which goes more towards increasing what can be accomplished in a day and how much yield for that work.

The fact that you think it's a weak argument means you don't understand whats all involved. Just take a few basic facts we can assume:

1. Little or no heavy farming equipment.
2. No cleared land
3. No tilled land
4. Nutrient deficiencies in the soil
5. Nutrient toxicity in the soil
6. Lack of an irrigation system (source, collection, distribution)
7. Lack of widespread agricultural industry knowledge
8. Possible lack of polinization system (ol birds N bees)
9. Possible lack of water suitable for aggriculture
10. Limited seed stocks
11. Limited livestock (vegan/vegiterians, I'd argue that in this situation you would not have too much of a choice in the near term. In a survival situation, livestock can turn a non-consumable resource (grasses, etc) and produce a viable resource (reproduction and nuritiment systems) while preferred food sources are created.)

I'd be surprised if they harvested enough to eat in the first year. Now presumably some of those people would be performing other operations in support of the farmers. Clothing, cooking, cleaning, building, teaching, exploring (for other resources)

They'd get leave to go down every shift rotation, etc etc

It could easily be surmised that Baltar conscripted the military to rebuild the colony. As he said, 'You don't have a say/choice'. Over the year, two things would be in his favor: 1. lack of activity requireing a full alert military status. 2. desire of the people to help build.

It's clear that all the ships were staffed with rotation, presumably in the opposite rotation (rotate skeleton up, not rotate down). This would save on resources on the ships as well (water, fuel, food, etc).

I had thought they mined enough to keep the refinery ship going for quite some time.

Until they find an alternate fuel source, what they mined is still all the fuel they have. Therefore to precious to squander.

Granted, every year they would make improvements, but it would take years to build a sustainable colony.

Just look at Katrina, with all the resources the world has brought to bear, how rebuilt is New Orleans? And that's with partial infrastructure in place before they began.

[jomasecu]

Did Cloud Nine produce all their food? Because if not, they would've already have enough food production or stores to keep going for a while, or else there would've been absolutely no argument for not settling on New Caprica.

[Bigity]

Didn't Cloud 9 go boom in the nuclear explosion?

Posted Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:40 am:


1. Little or no heavy farming equipment. -- With a little smarts, the existing stuff could be converted to at least do a passable job at farm tasks.

2. No cleared land -- Again, how long does it take to clear some fields? The footage I saw showed only flat land, no trees or anything else.

3. No tilled land -- I've tilled lots of land with a stock of wood with a metal thing on the end of it. After a year, I could do alot, more then enough to feed myself and others.

4. Nutrient deficiencies in the soil -- Could be, can't be that bad or it would be habitable though.

5. Nutrient toxicity in the soil -- Same

6. Lack of an irrigation system (source, collection, distribution)
-- Same as above

7. Lack of widespread agricultural industry knowledge -- Possible

8. Possible lack of polinization system (ol birds N bees) -- Uh..grains don't require any outside pollination efforts. I don't think vegies do either. Fruits and berries do.

9. Possible lack of water suitable for aggriculture -- See habitable statement

10. Limited seed stocks -- This is quite possible, especially if it was Cloud 9 that went kaput.

11. Limited livestock (vegan/vegiterians, I'd argue that in this situation you would not have too much of a choice in the near term. In a survival situation, livestock can turn a non-consumable resource (grasses, etc) and produce a viable resource (reproduction and nuritiment systems) while preferred food sources are created.) -- Yes, I doubt many space cows lived during the voyage..if any were alive on any of the ships to being with.

You bring up building, which is odd, because that's what I was saying was very much missing from the set. I'm thinking some permanent structures would be high on the list of priorities. Guess it depends on if they felt like taking apart a ship(s) to salvage building materials, if lumber wasn't available.


ust look at Katrina, with all the resources the world has brought to bear, how rebuilt is New Orleans? And that's with partial infrastructure in place before they began.

Alot of stuff has been rebuilt. And we're not talking crude structures here, modern homes take a little more to put together than some huts.

I dunno, it just seems like they were trying to save on sets for the show, which is fine, but could have been covered by a few lines of dialogue.

[darkstar2a]

Your making some very gross assumptions.

In regards to habitable. They didn't say it was perfect.

They could easily make all the basic hand tools, but to produce enough machinery quickly to modern farming would consume many of the resources they would probably be using to do construction of buildings/homes.

You've tilled lots of raw land, rocks and all?

Lack of irrigation system, same as above. Competitive resources.

I was saying that while some people would be constructing buildings and teaching, that the majority, by necessity would be dedicated to farming. Since you don't know what will grow, your going to put everything you can into it (if your smart). Putting a lot of focus on foodstuffs that will store so that if you get great yields you can build stocks.

Since the set was digital/matte anyway I disagree in part with the saving on sets. Even the exterior action shots could have been replaced with other shots on a budget. I believe that it was very purposefully done to show that Chiron is NOT a great place.

The planet gave people hope, but it was not a good choice. They don't have the resources they need to build a civilization easily.

I'm behind on making my DVD's so I haven't heard the podcast yet. They may even talk about it.

My point still drives down to the fact that it is conceivable that life is NOT easy, this is not Eden, and it could take everything just to survive for a few years.

I thought it was a very realistic projection meant to show the struggle and maybe the folly of settling on the planet.

[Seir]

My thoughts on the old series vs new series summed up in an animated .gif: