Battle star galactica

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Post by Bigity » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:24 pm

[quote="darkstar2a";p="617404"]Your making some very gross assumptions.

In regards to habitable. They didn't say it was perfect.

They could easily make all the basic hand tools, but to produce enough machinery quickly to modern farming would consume many of the resources they would probably be using to do construction of buildings/homes.

You've tilled lots of raw land, rocks and all?

Lack of irrigation system, same as above. Competitive resources.

I was saying that while some people would be constructing buildings and teaching, that the majority, by necessity would be dedicated to farming. Since you don't know what will grow, your going to put everything you can into it (if your smart). Putting a lot of focus on foodstuffs that will store so that if you get great yields you can build stocks.

Since the set was digital/matte anyway I disagree in part with the saving on sets. Even the exterior action shots could have been replaced with other shots on a budget. I believe that it was very purposefully done to show that Chiron is NOT a great place.

The planet gave people hope, but it was not a good choice. They don't have the resources they need to build a civilization easily.

I'm behind on making my DVD's so I haven't heard the podcast yet. They may even talk about it.

My point still drives down to the fact that it is conceivable that life is NOT easy, this is not Eden, and it could take everything just to survive for a few years.

I thought it was a very realistic projection meant to show the struggle and maybe the folly of settling on the planet.[/quote]

Meh. I've tilled enough land to know you could till alot in a year, by hand. But who knows :) It's killin time...or at least it will be in November :(
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Post by Deacon » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:40 am

This is getting dangerously close to Trekkie territory, here.
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Post by Bigity » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:55 pm

Nah, because at least on BS:G they don't pretend to be all enlightened and crap :) And they still shoot first, instead of re-arranging the deflector dish or something.
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Post by jomasecu » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:08 pm

[quote="Bigity";p="617366"]Didn't Cloud 9 go boom in the nuclear explosion?[/quote]

Yes it did. What I meant is that unless Cloud Nine, which is gone, produced all of the fleet's food, which seems quite strategically stupid, they would've already had food coming from somewhere.
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Post by yoctobot » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:29 pm

Why would Cloud 9 produce any food? It was a luxury cruise ship with artificial sky and landscape.
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Post by dmpotter » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:34 pm

And farms require?...

I suppose they could have had hydroponics bays or something, but it seems entirely plausible that Cloud 9 would have been repurposed for growing food.

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Post by jomasecu » Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:18 am

[quote="yoctobot";p="621405"]Why would Cloud 9 produce any food? It was a luxury cruise ship with artificial sky and landscape.[/quote]
Are you agreeing with me or am I phrasing myself poorly?

The fleet HAD food. Roslin and Adama supported continuing their trek towards Earth. If they did not have a signifigant supply of food already, they would've wanted to settle on the planet, because it would be the only choice. There is no reason to believe that choosing to settle on this planet has deprived them of the food supply they already had. The only feasible explianation for them not having an existing food supply when they began to settle on New Caprica would be if all of their existing food was produced by and stored on Cloud Nine, and it was destroyed in the nuclear blast. Adama is an intelligent, experienced military man, and would know that having the fleet's survival dependant on a single ship is very foolish, and would've undoubtably ensured that the production and storage of food was spread out enough that the fleet could lose any one ship without risk of starving to death.

I don't think it's believable that they've settled on this planet for a year and are living in tents. At the very least they would've been able to land their ships and live in them.
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Post by dmpotter » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:00 am

They did land some ships. However I expect that the majority of ships in the fleet aren't capable of landing.

Imagine trying to land an aircraft carrier on a deserted island. Even if you succeed, the aircraft carrier isn't going to be seaworthy again any time soon. I expect the majority of ships simply aren't capable of landing - or, if they do, won't be taking off again.

Although I can't seriously see them still living in tents unless Baltar was being an ass and having all the work concentrate on "public works" or something.

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Post by Deacon » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:15 am

Some of the vessels were certainly very clearly space-only.
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Post by yoctobot » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:55 pm

[quote="dmpotter";p="621406"]And farms require?...

I suppose they could have had hydroponics bays or something, but it seems entirely plausible that Cloud 9 would have been repurposed for growing food.[/quote]

Sunlight, nutrient soil, water. Somehow I doubt Cloud 9 would support crops. Also everytime I saw it, it looked like a vacation spot not a farm.
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Post by TomXP411 » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:30 pm

The original Cloud 9 was a flying Las Vegas. This one should be no different.

Hyrdoponics are much more efficient than soil for mass-growing crops, and windows aren't much use in deep space; they're more of a liability.

If I were going to grow food, I'd use a container ship and do hydroponics. Use artificial light, which is more regular and controllable, and force grow the food. There are techniques that can grow crops bigger and faster than could ever be accomplished in soil with sunlight.

And nutrients? Human waste makes a great fertilizer. It should be proccesed to get rid of the toxic elements, but I'm sure competent engineers could build a processing facility.

As to the situation on New Caprica: Baltar is a horrible manager. That's what the writers were trying to illustrate. While people are working and killing themselves to put up shelter, living in filthy conditions, and not even able to produce the simplest of medicines, he's living in luxury with his painted whores and has every need met. We're supposed to see how he's become a decadant tyrant, rather than a public servant.

This, of course, sets up the perfect situation for the Cylons to come in and clean things up. Would they be the Babylonians?

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Post by 10bellies » Fri May 19, 2006 11:03 am

[quote="TomXP411";p="614238"][quote="Bigity";p="613968"]Couple of points:

The Cylon Adama fought was nearly dead from the radiation, and it still pretty much wiped the floor with him.

Starbuck got her ass kicked, and got lucky when the cylon impaled herself onto rebar.
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My point, though, was that a mere piece of rebar was enough to impale Six. If a single piece of rebar killed her, how does the six that "saved" Baltar manage to stop the shockwave from a nuclear explosion?[/quote]
Apologies for pulling up an old thread (just working my way through the forums), but I think I've got an answer to this one..

Isn't there a chance the original Caprica Six isn't a 'standard' Cylon agent?

If you remember one of the first scenes where she and Baltar were getting it on (twenty minutes into the pilot episode), her spine glowed red....why would this happen when we know that the other agents are almost indistinguishable from humans?

Could it be she was designed in such a way to be 'reinforced' against the initial nuclear attack (perhaps more machine than human), but her choosing to stay with Baltar put her too close to a point of detination where she dies, but offered enough protection to save Baltar?

Any other Sixes/agents wouldn't need the same level of protection, so would be susceptible to any damage a human would take.

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Post by adciv » Fri May 19, 2006 11:33 pm

Well, might as well continue the necro.

Caprica Six wasn't the only one who's spine glowed. Sharon's spine has also glowed. It seems that they glow only when having sex, though. So it may be one of the unintended consequences of the artificial cylon body.

Also, the bodies would have to be re-enforced (compared to regular human bodies) to acomodate the strength they have. I'm pretty sure that normal human bones that skiny would break. Body Builders have measurably thicker bones than regular people.
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Post by Deacon » Fri May 19, 2006 11:34 pm

I would so love the opportunity to make Sharon's spine glow...
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Post by Bigity » Mon May 22, 2006 11:03 pm

Yea but how many copies at once?
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