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[GreenChief]

Washington...

I lived there for a couple of years.

Spokane County(where I lived) has more meth labs than any other county in America.

[The Cid]

[quote="Metzgirl";p="610512"]I have a hard time supporting legalization of Marajuiana because most of the people I knew who supported it did more than MJ... in a very bad way. They also liked to support things I am wholly against, such a socialism, free abortions, communal living (read:communal sex mates), and some other stuff I've completely forgotten.


I do love the idea of "If you decriminalize Marajuiana, the crime rates will go down". Duh. If something isn't illegal anymore, all the people who would have been jailed for it no longer get arrested (at least for that law).[/quote]

Wait a second. You're saying you have a hard time supporting something because people that support this support other things you're adamently against?

(Please clarify if this is not the case, and I'll withdraw this post entirely. It just looks that way.)

That makes no sense. You can't support something because what, it'll help people you really disagree with? It seems to me that you're talking about issues completely unrelated to the topic.

I personally think it's idiocy that marijuana is still illegal while cigarettes and alcohol are easily attainable. You know, being that of those three, marijuana is the LEAST deadly and all. But I drink and I used to smoke cigarettes, so who the Hell am I?

Here you have something that's easy to grow in America, and could become a domestic product that creates a lot of jobs for a lot of people. Like cigarettes and alcohol. Oh, and it's something that would be a lot less dangerous if it were legalized. After all, the FDA would make sure that the grass people buy hasn't been "laced" with anything, from harsher drugs to deadly pesticides.

Also, states like Vermont don't have a whole lot of industry. You make marijuana legal, suddenly Burlington, VT is a hub city.

I don't know. I'm sure there are reasons for keeping it illegal that make sense, but I have yet to find a single one. At the very least, it seems like a waste of prison space and police resources to go after growers, sellers and smokers.

Now, I'm not saying I'm against the war on drugs. Certain drugs can cause horrible things. For example, I think this country should do more to stop the cocaine trade. Coke is an EXTREMELY dangerous drug to a human system, people who sell it tend to be a little more...let's say "intense" than your common pot peddler, and smuggling the drug has led to gigantic organized crime groups that kill more people than most fatal diseases. Or the heroine trade, which has been linked to another war we're fighting and, again, involves a super-deadly drug.

[Deacon]

The Cid, surely you're not that retarded and are just being a jerk, right? She said she has a hard time supporting legalizing mj because most of the people she knew who supported legalizing it were hardcore drug addicts who were basically fucked up hippies. Not exactly people who lend a whole lot of credibility to the cause, you know?

Me, I'm for criminalizing forum sigs that contain more than two short quotes and put what could easily be 5 lines of text and stretch it out unnecessarily to 9

[StruckingFuggle]

Because lord knows she knew all or most of the potheads, and even if her examples were the dominant paradigm ... well I guess as long as you don't like the people, it's no problem jackbooting down on their freedoms, eh?

Posted Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:54 pm:

I have a hard time supporting legalization of Marajuiana because most of the people I knew who supported it did more than MJ... in a very bad way. They also liked to support things I am wholly against, such a socialism, free abortions, communal living (read:communal sex mates), and some other stuff I've completely forgotten.

... you know, actually, I think that's one of the most disgusting things I've read in a long time ...

/me gives Metzgirl a prize

(of course, if the second bit wasn't also part of why you don't support legalization, well I'll fix what I'm saying, but it certainly reads like that)

[The Cid]

[quote="Deacon";p="610749"]The Cid, surely you're not that retarded and are just being a jerk, right? She said she has a hard time supporting legalizing mj because most of the people she knew who supported legalizing it were hardcore drug addicts who were basically fucked up hippies. Not exactly people who lend a whole lot of credibility to the cause, you know?

Me, I'm for criminalizing forum sigs that contain more than two short quotes and put what could easily be 5 lines of text and stretch it out unnecessarily to 9 [/quote]

I can only imagine how many of those people your average person has to deal with. Me, I find hippie addicts all OVER my back yard come April for some reason. (Wait, I don't have a back yard. Scratch that.) And of course, when I run into these burnouts, I can't help but ask their opinion on political and topical issues. But I suppose I can see where she's coming from. If I listened to the opining of these people, I'd probably think differently about any issue I might have at one time agreed with them on. Their support would detract from the experience.

(Sadly, unless they're ex-cons to boot, their hypothetical vote counts as much as my own, or yours, or Metzgirl's. I know, I know, chances are they don't vote, but they DO seem to be expressing their opinions to some of our forumites. That sounds pretty proactive to me.)

Honestly, if someone IS running into a lot of hippies, that's a shame and I'm sorry that you have to go through that. I don't mean to trivialize the act of being this particular sort of hippie. I bet those guys are real jerks. That's not cool. I don't condone that behavior.

But I'm not willing to reject a sound idea because it has a few nutty supporters.

[StruckingFuggle]

If I listened to the opining of these people, I'd probably think differently about any issue I might have at one time agreed with them on. Their support would detract from the experience.

... o.O .... you're serious.

[Deacon]

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="610785"]I guess as long as you don't like the people, it's no problem jackbooting down on their freedoms, eh?[/quote]
I wouldn't mind putting a jackboot in your ribs for that kind of stupid assertion. She didn't say she had some personality conflict with someone and decided to oppose anything they supported on principle

[StruckingFuggle]

Well that's how it read. "Oh, I don't like the idea of legalization, 'cause all the tokers I knew were dirty hippies who did other drugs AND who believed in all these other ideas that I don't like!"

so it certainly does imply that the personality conflict IS a part of why she opposes at least some things they support.

[Deacon]

Only if your default perspective comes from a persecution complex, really.

[The Cid]

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="610790"]

If I listened to the opining of these people, I'd probably think differently about any issue I might have at one time agreed with them on. Their support would detract from the experience.

... o.O .... you're serious.

[/quote]

Yeah, Fuggle. If there's one thing that post was, it's SERIOUS.

[Spongiform]

/me agrees with Fuggle

[Euthanatos]

How is this so hard, Cid? They don't hold their views in isolation; the legalization of marijuana was not touted on its own but as part of a lax communist ideology. She's not saying "omfg u r commies I won't support anything u do!!!!1!", she was mentioning how not only did she agree with their stance on this, but several other things, and these just served to reinforce the MJ stance.

[Stotan]

[quote="XenoWolf";p="606908"]If you need meth, come to Pennsylvania. [/quote]

Or Montana from what I understand they have a huge problem with it here. hmm maybe I should be glad I'm moving