Same goes to when if it is faked.
So shouldn't it start from the fundamental question of "Who did it?" which would then be answering if it was a staged attack or not?
Video of 9/11 crash into Pentagon released
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If you sincerely think that there's any possibility that this was faked by the Government, then I think you should pack up your bags and head to Canada. That's what I would do.
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[quote="fxandrew";p="635301"]Same goes to when if it is faked.
So shouldn't it start from the fundamental question of "Who did it?" which would then be answering if it was a staged attack or not?[/quote]
Right, investigating the hijackers, and what government(s) they could have been connected to, if any, including possibly our own.
I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to plant bombs in the WTC and Pentagon to succesfully fudge the destruction of the buildings like that. If you're looking to incriminate the US Government for something then it would make much more sense to look into whether they ever dumped money into training or equipping groups like that. You say you're from Hong Kong so I don't know how much you know about the US doing that, but it's not particularly uncommon - For example, the Iran-Contra scandal, influencing elections in some small middle eastern country (um, Jordan or Lebanon or something), etc etc.
It sounds crazy that the government might have paid these guys to instrument an attack but in my opinion it's certainly more likely (mostly because they would be further distanced from the crimes) than hiring people to plant bombs in the WTC to ensure it was destroyed when hit with a decoy plane, or whatever. Popular Mechanics did a very professional and well-documented investigation into the idea of demolition bombs and how the towers collapsed, and shows that the theories in that area really barely hold water. If you really want to be paranoid you can say that maybe the Guvermint helped or encouraged conspiracy theories about fudging the attacks, to distract attention from where it really belongs, which is how and why the hijackers got into a position that they could instrument the attacks.
So shouldn't it start from the fundamental question of "Who did it?" which would then be answering if it was a staged attack or not?[/quote]
Right, investigating the hijackers, and what government(s) they could have been connected to, if any, including possibly our own.
I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to plant bombs in the WTC and Pentagon to succesfully fudge the destruction of the buildings like that. If you're looking to incriminate the US Government for something then it would make much more sense to look into whether they ever dumped money into training or equipping groups like that. You say you're from Hong Kong so I don't know how much you know about the US doing that, but it's not particularly uncommon - For example, the Iran-Contra scandal, influencing elections in some small middle eastern country (um, Jordan or Lebanon or something), etc etc.
It sounds crazy that the government might have paid these guys to instrument an attack but in my opinion it's certainly more likely (mostly because they would be further distanced from the crimes) than hiring people to plant bombs in the WTC to ensure it was destroyed when hit with a decoy plane, or whatever. Popular Mechanics did a very professional and well-documented investigation into the idea of demolition bombs and how the towers collapsed, and shows that the theories in that area really barely hold water. If you really want to be paranoid you can say that maybe the Guvermint helped or encouraged conspiracy theories about fudging the attacks, to distract attention from where it really belongs, which is how and why the hijackers got into a position that they could instrument the attacks.
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[quote="fxandrew";p="635304"]Pure speculation, and I am not really affected by what's going on there.[/quote]
Okay, I didn't notice you were from Hong Kong, so.. what is your point anyway?
Okay, I didn't notice you were from Hong Kong, so.. what is your point anyway?
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
[quote="Phong";p="635307"][quote="fxandrew";p="635304"]Pure speculation, and I am not really affected by what's going on there.[/quote]
Okay, I didn't notice you were from Hong Kong, so.. what is your point anyway?[/quote]
I don't think the US government has been entirely honest with this investigation. Thats what I think.
Okay, I didn't notice you were from Hong Kong, so.. what is your point anyway?[/quote]
I don't think the US government has been entirely honest with this investigation. Thats what I think.
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Because he saw this cool video online where some high school student said whatever he wanted to say because he didn't have to provide any sources and put his random musings together in a slick package, and this new guy bought it as though it were true and significant.
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Really Deacon? OMG, do you know what that means? George Bush wants to kill us ALL!
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
[quote="Arminius";p="635476"]*Sigh*
Dick Cheney, Phong. Not Bush, Dick Cheney. How many time will I have to repeat myself?[/quote]
Don't be ridiculous Arminius. If Dick Cheney wanted to kill Americans he'd use a SHOTGUN. None of this flying planes into buildings crap.
Dick Cheney, Phong. Not Bush, Dick Cheney. How many time will I have to repeat myself?[/quote]
Don't be ridiculous Arminius. If Dick Cheney wanted to kill Americans he'd use a SHOTGUN. None of this flying planes into buildings crap.
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
[quote="fxandrew";p="635310"][quote="Phong";p="635307"][quote="fxandrew";p="635304"]Pure speculation, and I am not really affected by what's going on there.[/quote]
Okay, I didn't notice you were from Hong Kong, so.. what is your point anyway?[/quote]
I don't think the US government has been entirely honest with this investigation. Thats what I think.[/quote]
*wonders what high school you are from*
....LaSalle?
Okay, I didn't notice you were from Hong Kong, so.. what is your point anyway?[/quote]
I don't think the US government has been entirely honest with this investigation. Thats what I think.[/quote]
*wonders what high school you are from*
....LaSalle?
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When I saw that footage on the news I was expecting something I didn't see. But a couple years back when that "conspiracy" came about I saw that footage on a video. It was sent to me or something like that. I wish I remember where I saw it. it was a music video that claimed it was a missile and not a plane. They asked why there were no damage to the building where the wings would be, and how a plane can stay in the air at such a low altitude.
I'm not saying I believe that it was a missile, nor do I even remotely believe a missile was strapped on a plane, that is too far fetched. But I believe the government knew about it, and knows more then what they are saying. Why would they tell us minions what is going on, and something that can incriminate themselves on any wrong doing they could of/did? Politics. What they want us to believe and see. Gotta remember, the Bin Ladens were with Bush Sr. in America when the attacks took place, working together in their business, making money. Bush and the Bin Ladens made money from 9/11.
Now, whether the US defense didn't do anything because they wanted money, I highly doubt it. But it is an interesting fact. A plane hit the pentagon, plain and simple. The video is not new that was "just released", was on the net long ago.
No matter what happens, there will always be conspiracies. The question is really, who starts them? The government, or people like us? What do they want us to believe? I don't think any of us will know what exactly took place, or why, and why the government didn't try to stop it before it happened. I might get slapped for this, but lets get another president in here and have him pick some damn good investigators who isn't on Bush's/Cheney's side, who are in the middle, and have them look into everything. I mean, we put our trust into the government.. well, we are supposed to.. and we do pay their taxes. We should get the truth... ok, I'm stopping, I don't think I said anything constructive here, nor really made sense or headway.
I'm not saying I believe that it was a missile, nor do I even remotely believe a missile was strapped on a plane, that is too far fetched. But I believe the government knew about it, and knows more then what they are saying. Why would they tell us minions what is going on, and something that can incriminate themselves on any wrong doing they could of/did? Politics. What they want us to believe and see. Gotta remember, the Bin Ladens were with Bush Sr. in America when the attacks took place, working together in their business, making money. Bush and the Bin Ladens made money from 9/11.
Now, whether the US defense didn't do anything because they wanted money, I highly doubt it. But it is an interesting fact. A plane hit the pentagon, plain and simple. The video is not new that was "just released", was on the net long ago.
No matter what happens, there will always be conspiracies. The question is really, who starts them? The government, or people like us? What do they want us to believe? I don't think any of us will know what exactly took place, or why, and why the government didn't try to stop it before it happened. I might get slapped for this, but lets get another president in here and have him pick some damn good investigators who isn't on Bush's/Cheney's side, who are in the middle, and have them look into everything. I mean, we put our trust into the government.. well, we are supposed to.. and we do pay their taxes. We should get the truth... ok, I'm stopping, I don't think I said anything constructive here, nor really made sense or headway.
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