Video of 9/11 crash into Pentagon released

[Martin Blank]

Hindsight is always 20/20. The FISA rules blocked much of the communications between law enforcement and espionage agencies. Had those rules been loosened, there probably would have been an outcry from privacy advocates -- and probably a large portion of the public -- over the sharing of information. The rules were put there to prevent abuse, and they worked for 25 years. They had a major loophole, though, that al Qaeda operatives were able to use (knowingly or not) to bring down buildings and kill thousands.

[coyote blue]

So really either way, no matter what, it was going to happen. Times may change, the hijackers may change.. but it would of happened. I just still don't see how there wasn't something more they could of done. Call me stubborn or dumb, either way something might have been able to be done to change the outcome.

[Martin Blank]

It was most likely a last-time thing. The plot kind of ruined it for most other potential hijackers, for reasons of (marginally-)increased security, but moreso because passengers are unlikely to allow a take-over to happen again. Even if they do, there's a very good chance of the plane being shot down if it looks like it's going to do a suicide run.

[coyote blue]

I also highly doubt they would try that again. They have to come up with something else, but what else could create such a huge impact like that and destroy so many innocent lives at once? I shudder to imagine.

Posted Sun May 28, 2006 7:44 pm:

Ok, I want to take back when I said the Bush's and Binladens were making money from Haliburton. Not that group during the 9/11. It was the Carlyle Group that was receiving money from United Defense, and in turn was making profit from 9/11, so was Bush and the Binladens.
The Carlyle Group is a private investment bank which doesn't come to the publics attention very often but it is one of the biggest American (ed: USA) investors of the defense industry, telecom, property and financial services.
Legal Group Blasts Papa Shrub
On Bin Laden Link
Bush Sr. Could Profit From War
by Geoffrey Gray

Larry Klayman likes suing the United States government. Over the last seven years as chairman and general counsel of Judicial Watch, a public interest law firm in Washington, he has filed over 150 lawsuits against the feds, including more than 80 against former president Bill Clinton himself. Called the Ralph Nader of the right, Klayman has litigation habits considered by some Beltway insiders as wildly ambitious. Others think he's just plain crazy.

But now Klayman and Judicial Watch are pawing in disbelief through President George W. Bush's past business connections with the Saudi-based Bin Laden family. The firm is demanding that GWB's father, the original President Bush, immediately resign from his post as a paid senior adviser to the Carlyle Group, a private Washington equity firm that according to The New York Times has essentially become the nation's 11th largest defense contractor.

Carlyle's investors include the Bin Laden family, which has disowned its terrorist son Osama; Bush Sr.; and former Bush inner guard members Nick Carlucci and James Baker. Judicial Watch says all involved stand to benefit from any increase in U.S. defense spending.

"It's mind-boggling," says Klayman. "This conflict of interest has now turned into a scandal." With the recent U.S. air strikes in Afghanistan, Klayman says, the conflict of interest is now "direct."

Klayman questions why Bush the Younger is not aggressively pursuing Saudi Arabia, a country known to harbor terrorists. He points to Bush the Elder's business connections there, like the Saudi-based Bin Laden family, through Carlyle. "President Bush should not ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group," says Klayman.

Neither former president Bush-who has continued advising his son on handling the war on terrorism-nor the Carlyle Group returned calls seeking comment.

In a case of "like father, like son," President Bush also had connections to the Carlyle Group, the Voice has learned. In the years before his 1994 bid for Texas governor, Bush owned stock in and sat on the board of directors of Caterair, a service company that provided airplane food and was also a component of Carlyle. For his consulting position, Bush was paid $15,000 a year, according to a Texas insider, and a bonus $1000 for every meeting he attended-roughly $75,000 in total. Reports show Carlyle was also a major contributor to his electoral fund.

Upon hearing about the Bush-Bin Laden family connection, other Washington nonprofits have joined Judicial Watch in expressing their concern.

"Carlyle is as deeply wired into the current administration as they can possibly be," Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, told Bushwatch.org. "George Bush is getting money from private interests that have business before the government, while his son is president. And, in a really peculiar way, George W. Bush could, some day, benefit financially from his own administration's decisions, through his father's investments. The average American doesn't know that. To me, that's a jaw-dropper."

A few tidbits:

Saudi Arabia has over a trillion dollars invested in america. - 7% of the US is owned by the Saudi's.
The Saudi embassy across from watergate and down street from jfk center.
There are 6 presidential guards guarding the ambassador of Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia helped fund al Qaeda and 9/11 attack. But yet the Saudi ambassador is the most well gaurded ambassador, using tax payers money.
Bush only put 11k troops in Afghanistan, more police in some cities then that.
They waited 2 months to go into where they believed Osama was hiding.

http://www.911timeline.net/ ( timeline of 9/11 )

"To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition,
turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant
into a latter-day hero ... assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt
for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight
in what would be an un-winnable urban guerilla war.
It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability."
A World Transformed (1998)
George Herbert Walker Bush

[Deacon]

I know this is a slight necro, but the most recent Filibuster was pretty accurate on this topic, as Filibuster Cartoons usually is.

Every so often I get an email from someone or another associated with the so-called "9-11 truth" movement. They're the people who maintain the terrorist attacks of September was the result of some massive government conspiracy, and spout all sorts of convoluted theories to explain why Osama Bin Laden was innocent.

If you watch any of their movies or read any of their articles, what Bush is saying in this cartoon is more or less what they believed happened.