I watched the game from Boston's North End, with thousands of Italian supporters lining the streets.
(Before you jump down my throat guys, remember, there's no French part of Boston.)
It was incredible to watch in that sort of a setting.
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Deacon, there are no official video replays, FIFA seem strangely resistant to it (despite obvious examples where it would be useful such as this), but I would be surprised if there was anything in the rules to prevent events unfolding as they did.
Zidane 100% deserved to get sent off for this, it was a fucking stupid thing to do whether the referee or his assistants were looking or not. Football is not by any means a non-contact sport, but there was no justification for an action such as that whose only purpose was to attack another player. Even if the player got up within seconds and was shaking Zidane's hand it's still a red card.
It's a triumph of common sense over FIFA's ridiculous foot-dragging regarding video replays.
All that aside, this has been a horrendous tournament for diving and over-acting from pretty much all sides involved (or certainly the major ones). If FIFA have even one brain amongst them I would bloody well hope it's dedicated to stamping out this problem in future.
Although you may be able to infer I have little respect for FIFA's current ability to manage the game worldwide.
Zidane 100% deserved to get sent off for this, it was a fucking stupid thing to do whether the referee or his assistants were looking or not. Football is not by any means a non-contact sport, but there was no justification for an action such as that whose only purpose was to attack another player. Even if the player got up within seconds and was shaking Zidane's hand it's still a red card.
It's a triumph of common sense over FIFA's ridiculous foot-dragging regarding video replays.
All that aside, this has been a horrendous tournament for diving and over-acting from pretty much all sides involved (or certainly the major ones). If FIFA have even one brain amongst them I would bloody well hope it's dedicated to stamping out this problem in future.
Although you may be able to infer I have little respect for FIFA's current ability to manage the game worldwide.
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You're thinking of the Portuguese (sorry Glue). I've never seen anyone roll 6 times after getting tipped up whilst walking before Christiano Ronaldo.
Also, I bet if someone walked up to you and surprise headbutted you in the chest, it might hurt a little. What a stupid way to end a career.
Totally deserved a sending off. Contact off of the ball is not allowed.
Also, I bet if someone walked up to you and surprise headbutted you in the chest, it might hurt a little. What a stupid way to end a career.
Totally deserved a sending off. Contact off of the ball is not allowed.
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Ideally you're not supposed to do that. It's let slide as it happens more often than not, but you see fouls given for the merest push inside the box in a corner, etc.
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Meh. I personally think that's a little silly. Basketball's not technically a contact sport, but I dare anyone to say that to anyone who's ever had to run the gauntlet in the lane or go for a rebound. Using your body to block someone from moving into an advantageous position should be fine. What do they do when someone's just standing there, and someone else is running toward the ball and they collide?
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
Deacon, contact without the ball is ok, you push, you shove, you even elbow. all in purpose of getting yourself between your adversary and the ball.
what you DON'T do is punch, kick and/or headbutt someone intentionally. it's considered an non-sportive foul and as such deserves a red card in any sport (or whatever version of it that oter sport has).
what you DON'T do is punch, kick and/or headbutt someone intentionally. it's considered an non-sportive foul and as such deserves a red card in any sport (or whatever version of it that oter sport has).
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[quote="Deacon";p="650831"]Meh. Headbutt to the chest is like an elbow in the ribs. If the dude hadn't flopped, nobody would've even said anything about it.[/quote]
Yeah. I agree that people don't lift off the ground as the result of a headbutt to the chest.
But what baffles me is this: Zidane is one of the greatest players in the game's HISTORY. A living legend both in and outside of France. I doubt that a lot of people know more about the game, including what you can and cannot get away with, than Zidane.
He would also know as well as anyone else, after 110 minutes, that the Italian team can be compared to an acting troupe. Also, in this particular World Cup, the referees have been absolutely brutal with bookings. So why on EARTH did he even THINK about doing what he did? Did he think nobody in the stadium was watching the most recognizable player on the pitch? Did he think that after a record amount of cardings, the referees would simply look the other way on this one? I just can't understand how the Hell this managed to happen. For a great player, a red card is horrible. Especially since the game came down to penalty kicks, something at which Zidane had been phenominal during this WC.
Here, in sports, GOAT is an abbreviation for Greatest of All Time. Goat is ALSO a term for the person most directly responsible for a big loss (i.e. Leon Durham of the 1984 Chicago Cubs). At times in the career of Zidane, both terms might apply.
Yeah. I agree that people don't lift off the ground as the result of a headbutt to the chest.
But what baffles me is this: Zidane is one of the greatest players in the game's HISTORY. A living legend both in and outside of France. I doubt that a lot of people know more about the game, including what you can and cannot get away with, than Zidane.
He would also know as well as anyone else, after 110 minutes, that the Italian team can be compared to an acting troupe. Also, in this particular World Cup, the referees have been absolutely brutal with bookings. So why on EARTH did he even THINK about doing what he did? Did he think nobody in the stadium was watching the most recognizable player on the pitch? Did he think that after a record amount of cardings, the referees would simply look the other way on this one? I just can't understand how the Hell this managed to happen. For a great player, a red card is horrible. Especially since the game came down to penalty kicks, something at which Zidane had been phenominal during this WC.
Here, in sports, GOAT is an abbreviation for Greatest of All Time. Goat is ALSO a term for the person most directly responsible for a big loss (i.e. Leon Durham of the 1984 Chicago Cubs). At times in the career of Zidane, both terms might apply.
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The Cid, he did get away with it, technically. He knew the action was elsewhere and the refs weren't watching him or listening to whatever the Italian guy was saying. If the ref on the sideline didn't cave to the pressure and lie about having seen it, it would've been a non-issue. I agree, however, that while it was awesome, it was unnecessary and will be a stain on his legacy.
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
[quote="Deacon";p="650831"]Meh. Headbutt to the chest is like an elbow in the ribs. If the dude hadn't flopped, nobody would've even said anything about it.[/quote]you're missing the point, it's not about the severity of the injury, it's about sportsmanship.
an elbow while struggling for position is a part of the game.
heabutting someone because he said something that pissed you off - is not.
sure the guy shouldn't have said whatever he said. but zidane is an experienced player. the team captain, I can't believe he fell for something so cheap...
an elbow while struggling for position is a part of the game.
heabutting someone because he said something that pissed you off - is not.
sure the guy shouldn't have said whatever he said. but zidane is an experienced player. the team captain, I can't believe he fell for something so cheap...
Deacon, do you agree that if Zidane had done what he did in full view of the officials a sending-off would be inevitable?
Because if that's the case, what's to stop him slipping a knuckle-duster out of his sock and planting a solid right-hook while no-one is watching? Sure, he'll still get punished post-game, but should he be allowed to stay on-field just because the officials saw nothing?
Because if that's the case, what's to stop him slipping a knuckle-duster out of his sock and planting a solid right-hook while no-one is watching? Sure, he'll still get punished post-game, but should he be allowed to stay on-field just because the officials saw nothing?
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Because it was missed, apparently...
[quote="Deacon";p="650855"]I agree, however, that while it was awesome, it was unnecessary and will be a stain on his legacy.[/quote]
Anyway, he didn't actually hurt anyone, nor did it appear that he inteded to hurt anyway. And therein lies the difference, to me, between your example of clobbering someone with a weapon and headbutting them in the chest, an otherwise sneaky move that wouldn't have meant a thing or really caught anyone's attention until far later if the Italian hadn't delivered an Oscar-worthy performance to draw attention to it. Yes, if the refs had actually caught it, they'd probably have flagged him for it, maybe even given him a red card for it. Maybe. But without the acting not only would it have not been noticed, but the punishment for it probably wouldn't have been much anyway. Personally I would've waited until the ball came close and then run over him as though it were just part of the game, but I guess Zidane wanted to keep it on the down-low.
[quote="Deacon";p="650855"]I agree, however, that while it was awesome, it was unnecessary and will be a stain on his legacy.[/quote]
Anyway, he didn't actually hurt anyone, nor did it appear that he inteded to hurt anyway. And therein lies the difference, to me, between your example of clobbering someone with a weapon and headbutting them in the chest, an otherwise sneaky move that wouldn't have meant a thing or really caught anyone's attention until far later if the Italian hadn't delivered an Oscar-worthy performance to draw attention to it. Yes, if the refs had actually caught it, they'd probably have flagged him for it, maybe even given him a red card for it. Maybe. But without the acting not only would it have not been noticed, but the punishment for it probably wouldn't have been much anyway. Personally I would've waited until the ball came close and then run over him as though it were just part of the game, but I guess Zidane wanted to keep it on the down-low.
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
Okay, seeing your point a little more now. But whether or not the Italian player was hurt and/or acting makes no difference. It was a red card offence and the only reason you can give why he should have stayed on the pitch is that he managed to do the deed without the officials seeing.
I realise that if rules had been followed to the letter there should have been no action taken. This is why I called it a triumph of common sense.
In an ideal world, there would be a video referee; the Italian player gets hit, goes over to have a word with the referee which he radios over to the video ref. Play continues (the only reason play wouldn't normally continue at this point would be the complaints thrown at the referee from any Italian player who saw it, but if there's a video decision forthcoming they are far more likely to play on until that comes) until the decision is communicated back to the referee.
I realise that if rules had been followed to the letter there should have been no action taken. This is why I called it a triumph of common sense.
In an ideal world, there would be a video referee; the Italian player gets hit, goes over to have a word with the referee which he radios over to the video ref. Play continues (the only reason play wouldn't normally continue at this point would be the complaints thrown at the referee from any Italian player who saw it, but if there's a video decision forthcoming they are far more likely to play on until that comes) until the decision is communicated back to the referee.
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