Six Reasons (The Christian) God Exists

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:17 am

I'm saying Arab because I am just inherently uncomfortable with calling a person Jew as a race and not a religion. Just seems wrong to me.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:36 pm

I know many Jews, even a few very decidedly non-religious ones, who would disagree with it seeming wrong.

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:52 pm

Alright. I know a couple of women that believe in a "woman's right to choose." Doesn't mean a man can't disagree with her

Sophira · Post by **Sophira** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:53 pm

I fail to see how your example is in any way relevant.

You are confusing and illogical.

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:03 am

Male is to female issue as Non-jew is to jewish issue. It's called an analogy, pretty common and logical.

wocket · Post by **wocket** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:06 am

It's called FALSE analogy.

Sophira · Post by **Sophira** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:09 am

It's worse than any analogy I've ever constructed, and that's saying quite a lot.

Whether "Jew" includes ethnicity/race as a factor is not a controversial issue, for one. You are just creating the controversy because the idea is new and unusual for you. Asking a Jew whether race or ethnicity can be part of being "Jew" is not the same as asking a woman whether she should have the legal right to abort her baby.

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:13 am

It is simply saying that because he has a Jewish friend that considers a Jew to be part of a collective race, does not mean I can't be uncomfortable with saying Jews are a race of people. Just like because a woman says that she has the right to abort her baby does not mean I cannot, as a male, disagree with her opinion. Yes, it is unusual (not new) for me to have this opinion, but I fail to see how this makes my analogy illogical. It's easy to say "nuh-uh, that's not true." but you fail to explain WHY it would be illogical to make this analogy. In case one, I would be a non-jew commenting on an issue that directly effects Jews. In case two, I would be a male commenting on an issue that directly effects women.

EDIT: Whether or not it is a controversial issue is not relative to the situation. It is an issue to me, therefore it is an issue. It may be a small issue but it is an issue.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:29 am

Oh it's very relative.

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:30 am

How is it relative? Please explain.

Ary · Post by **Ary** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:43 pm

I feel the same way as jimkatai, it's weird to call someone a jew as their race. It's like saying everyone from the middle-east is a muslim. Besides, religion shouldn't be tied to a certain race or skincolor. How can you be a jew, but.. well.. not be one? It's a stupid paradox.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:51 am

[quote="Ary";p="688597"]it's weird to call someone a jew as their race. It's like saying everyone from the middle-east is a muslim.[/quote]
I don't get it.

Besides, religion shouldn't be tied to a certain race or skincolor. How can you be a jew, but.. well.. not be one? It's a stupid paradox.

It's a nuance of a fairly unique group of people who were related both by blood and by a common religion for several thousand years.

Ary · Post by **Ary** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:52 am

What part do you not get? I find it quite annoying when people say I'm a muslim when I'm not, just because I'm from Iran. They just assume I am.

I know it's generally accepted and all, but it still just feels weird to me to call someone a jew based on just their looks. If that was true, I too would be a jew (dark hair, hooked nose, etc.).

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:59 pm

Ary, if you're a Hebrew Israeli, you're a Jew, regardless of how devoutly you observe the religious practices, or even if you've converted to a completely different religion altogether. The word "Jew" carries multiple meanings, including belonging to both religious and hereditary groups, mostly because for a long time the two were one and the same. If you were Jew you were of their specific ethnic group and religion.

Ary · Post by **Ary** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:22 pm

I know what you say is correct, I'm just saying it feels weird to me, partially because I've been called both a muslim and a jew, while I'm neither. Besides, just because it's generally accepted doesn't make it true. Judaism is a religion (to me), not a race.

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