Six Reasons (The Christian) God Exists

Sophira · Post by **Sophira** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:14 pm

Ary, that's retarded. You can't just pretend something doesn't mean something that it does indeed mean just because you don't like it.

Also, I just want to point out one very important distinction:

Judaism is a religion, not a race.

However "Jew" can refer to either or both.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:17 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="688758"]Ary, if you're a Hebrew Israeli, you're a Jew, regardless of how devoutly you observe the religious practices, or even if you've converted to a completely different religion altogether. The word "Jew" carries multiple meanings, including belonging to both religious and hereditary groups, mostly because for a long time the two were one and the same. If you were Jew you were of their specific ethnic group and religion.[/quote]

Similarly, then, Jesus could have been of the Jewish faith, and also not 100% of the Jewish Race, could he not?

( Also: If God knocked Mary up, ol' Joeseph's ancestry that you posted doesn't really matter, does it? )

Ary · Post by **Ary** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:17 pm

Sophira, I don't recall insulting anyone for their ideas or opinions, I'm just expressing my own. So please refrain from calling me retarded.

I never said that "jew" doesn't mean a person from a certain ethnic background, I just said I didn't like it, because to me it's a religion and religion shouldn't be tied to a certain race (in my opinion). I'm not denying it, I'm saying I just disagree.

Sophira · Post by **Sophira** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:33 pm

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="688775"]Similarly, then, Jesus could have been of the Jewish faith, and also not 100% of the Jewish Race, could he not?[/quote]

I know you weren't talking to me, but the answer is that the implications that the word "Jew" has today did not exist in Jesus' time. (I don't even know a damned thing about Aramaic. For all I know, there was a word for 1) the race and 2) the religion. Does anybody even know?)

Just pointing out that it's erroneous to use modern implications of a word to describe an ancient situation that arose well before the word ever did.

Posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:35 pm:

Ary, I didn't call you retarded. I called what you said retarded. "That's" instead of "you're." I'll reserve judgement on the latter.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:39 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="688758"]...the two were one and the same. If you were Jew you were of their specific ethnic group and religion.[/quote]

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:04 am

I know what you say is correct, I'm just saying it feels weird to me

What exactly is retarded about this statement? He admitted you were right but simply said he was uncomfortable with the idea. He even gives a damn good reason for why he isn't comfortable with the idea. He doesn't like his religion being assumed because of his skin color. This is actually why I feel uncomfortable with calling jews a race. I know that is how it is supposed to be and it makes sense why it is that way, but it seems wrong.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:19 pm

jimkatai, for the love of god.

Jew = ETHNIC GROUP AND RELIGION

Muslim = RELIGION ONLY

wocket · Post by **wocket** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:54 pm

Recap time!

Ary: Look, I know "Jew" is a valid ethnic group. I'm just uncomfortable with it because I look like said ethnic group so people have mistakenly called me "Jew". Same with Muslim.
People: But you shouldn't have a problem with it!
jimkatai: But he DOES and I shall now ramble incoherently about why I agree!
Deacon: I SHALL NOW YELL AT JIMKATAI EVEN THOUGH HE IS AGREEING WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND NOT SAYING ANYTHING ORIGINAL.

Meanwhile:
Point: *whoosh* I CAN FLYYYYYY!
Counterpoint: *whoosh* ME TOOOOOOO!

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:40 pm

And what gives these "people" the right to tell him or me that we shouldn't have a problem with it. Neither of us are saying it doesn't make sense why it is considered an ethnic group, we just wish it didn't have to be that way.

The Cid · Post by **The Cid** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:56 am

Had a question, found the answer on my own, and it has been withdrawn.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:39 am

jimkatai, wocket apparently misinterpreted everything. Ary's argument is invalid because Jews are a group of people who share a common heredity. It can also refer to someone who simply adheres to the religion, but is from some other race, yes, but "Muslim" cannot. A Muslim is one who follows Islam. It is not also a term for a particular ethnic group.

wocket · Post by **wocket** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:21 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="689309"]jimkatai, wocket apparently misinterpreted everything. [/quote]

No, I did not. YOU apparently misinterpreted the part where I was summing up everyone's arguments.

Though, to be fair, my wording for Ary's summing up was a bit vague. The "same with Muslims" bit was referencing the fact that people mistakenly call him Muslim because he's Iranian.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:44 am

And the one really has nothing to do with the other, honestly. Guess what? If you're originally from Iran, there's a damn good chance you're Muslim. It is the one and only dominant religion in the country. However, when they assume he's a Muslim, they're assuming things about his religion, nothing more and nothing less.

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:15 am

I fully comprehend why Jews are part of a race, I just feel uncomfortable with it. That is all I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that people should change their opinion as a result or anything. It just feels weird to me.

JudgeMental · Post by **JudgeMental** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:17 am

SF, I've not forgot about you asking me to elaborate. I've just been really busy. And now I need to catch up on the thread >_<

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