2008 US presidential elections: Who will run?

The Cid · Post by **The Cid** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:14 am

[quote="jimkatai";p="686514"]As far as I knew, John McCain never ran for president, at all and this would be his first time even trying. How did the Republican party "bury" him?[/quote]

Ran in 2000. Neck-and-neck with Bush out of the first few primaries. Suddenly, a barrage of muckraking ended his campaign. Ever since, he has sucked up to his party never once asking "why" when they threw him under Bush's bus. Yes, it was a team strategy and yes, I'm sure he went along with what was best for his boys. Still, they took some nasty, nasty shots at Senator McCain, and he never stood up to them for it.

And I don't want someone like that running the country.

Kyros · Post by **Kyros** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:23 am

Whenever someone mentions Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush running in 2008 I kinda just shake my head and wonder about all the things wrong with eiether becoming President. Think about it, that's a potential TWENTY EIGHT YEARS with 2 families in the White House, that's just crazy.

Personally, niether party has any candidates that jump out at me as someone i'd vote for. Maaaybee Giulliani.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:28 am

And I don't want someone like that running the country.

Is that because he might be a man who puts doing his job ahead of pride, or because if that's the case (that he put his job ahead of pride) of what he considered "doing his job to be"?

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:32 am

The second part of that question is unclear to me.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:35 am

Okay. Let me try to rephrase.

Was the objection that "McCain didn't fight back", or what? If so, it seems important to ask, 'why didn't he fight back?' It might be that he put doing his job ahead of his pride. Is that what The Cid objects to? Or, if that analysis of his actions is stiupulated as true, is it not so much that he put doing his job above pride, as it is how he defined "doing his job"?

.... fuck. It would have been easier to just ask "why?".

The Cid · Post by **The Cid** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:37 am

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="686523"]

And I don't want someone like that running the country.

Is that because he might be a man who puts doing his job ahead of pride, or because if that's the case (that he put his job ahead of pride) of what he considered "doing his job to be"?[/quote]

My problem with McCain is his devotion to that job. You are not talking about "his job as a United States Senator representing the State of Arizona." You are talking about his standing in the Republican Party. He won't ignore that job as president. And I don't want ANYONE like that from ANY party running the country. McCain has shown the world he will bend over for the Republicans. Dean showed the same quality with his party. That kind of pussyfooting loses them my vote. And I like McCain as a senator. I think he's extremely important. I think he's best there.

But anybody so devoted to his own party that he'll take a fall in a presidential race doesn't deserve to be president. EVER.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:38 am

Okay. That is what I was curious about, because in that sense, I agree with you.

Thank you for the clarification.

The Cid · Post by **The Cid** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:41 am

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="686529"]Okay. That is what I was curious about, because in that sense, I agree with you.

Thank you for the clarification.[/quote]

You sure about that?

Maybe I'm wrong then...(just joking)

Post by **Martin Blank** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:49 am

[quote="The Cid";p="686528"]But anybody so devoted to his own party that he'll take a fall in a presidential race doesn't deserve to be president. EVER.[/quote]
McCain has been a thorn in the side of the Republican Party for years. He has bucked the party line when he held important positions on major Senate committees, when he brought forward (successfully) campaign finance legislation, and when he has voted against major Republican initiatives because he doesn't feel that they benefit the people in general. He doesn't kiss up to the party -- if anything, the party kisses up to him, especially after he started being seen with Democrats.

McCain is one of the most popular people in the Republican Party, and the party elite know it. They don't want him leaving the party, because if they do they're afraid they'll see something like what the Democrats are having to deal with regarding Lieberman -- only McCain could be national. They've already lost one election because of a popular conservative entering the race as an independent, and they're still stinging from it.

HTRN · Post by **HTRN** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:54 am

I aggree most of the choices presented are, for the most part distasteful - Particularly Senator Clinton. I didn't say I cared for either Romney or Perry, just that they're names have been mentioned as possible candidates.

I'm just curious as to who you people think is going to run. My money at this point is Clinton and Kerry slugging it out for the DNC slot, with McCain, and a wildcard battling for GOP nomination(I say this because McCain's popularity is with the most modest segment of the Republican party, he is deeply disliked by the Conservative end of the party).

HTRN

The Cid · Post by **The Cid** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:57 am

[quote="Martin Blank";p="686533"][quote="The Cid";p="686528"]But anybody so devoted to his own party that he'll take a fall in a presidential race doesn't deserve to be president. EVER.[/quote]
McCain has been a thorn in the side of the Republican Party for years. He has bucked the party line when he held important positions on major Senate committees, when he brought forward (successfully) campaign finance legislation, and when he has voted against major Republican initiatives because he doesn't feel that they benefit the people in general. He doesn't kiss up to the party -- if anything, the party kisses up to him, especially after he started being seen with Democrats.

McCain is one of the most popular people in the Republican Party, and the party elite know it. They don't want him leaving the party, because if they do they're afraid they'll see something like what the Democrats are having to deal with regarding Lieberman -- only McCain could be national. They've already lost one election because of a popular conservative entering the race as an independent, and they're still stinging from it.[/quote]

By the way. If anybody that would be even remotely worth voting for, and this could include McCain, were to run as a true independant I would be happy to vote for them. Unfortunately, I doubt such a candidate could find a truly suitable VP and survive two parties' muckraking.

Anyhow, point taken. Perhaps my choice of words was, as usual, a bit hasty.

Post by **Blaze** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:59 am

By the way. If anybody that would be even remotely worth voting for, and this could include McCain, were to run as a true independant I would be happy to vote for them. Unfortunately, I doubt such a candidate could find a truly suitable VP and survive two parties' muckraking.

Perot did it. People think he might've been bought by the Dems, though.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:06 am

[quote="HTRN";p="686534"]I'm just curious as to who you people think is going to run. My money at this point is Clinton and Kerry slugging it out for the DNC slot, with McCain, and a wildcard battling for GOP nomination(I say this because McCain's popularity is with the most modest segment of the Republican party, he is deeply disliked by the Conservative end of the party).[/quote]

McCain / Clinton could be an interesting race, since the Republicans wouldn't be able to fragment for Fear of a Clinton Nation, which might result in a President McCain, which could get the Republic McCain Haters to STFU...

HTRN · Post by **HTRN** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:10 am

This is, to put it mildly, going to be an interesting election.

HTRN

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:34 am

Damnit, Blank took most of my points. I still have one though. Do you really think it would have been politically savvy to fight back when he would obviously lose to GW, Daddy's protege, and only serve to stick in Republicans' heads that he disagreed with the great GW? I think he bowed out because he saw that he had no chance against winning in a party race against Bush, if bush was going to mudsling, and saw it wiser to wait until Bush was not running and he would have the most chops and best first impression in the Republican Party. It seems a little stupid to try and compete with a part of the Reagan line when you are running in the Republican Primary.

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