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Voting compromise?
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Lovely, isn't it?
Diebold! Bringing Chicago to the rest of the nation.
(Also, Prospero, who's/what's that in your avatar?)
Diebold! Bringing Chicago to the rest of the nation.
(Also, Prospero, who's/what's that in your avatar?)
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[quote="jimkatai";p="688961"]You would think they would make these cards unable to be modified by "off-the-shelf" products.[/quote]
The Diebold strategy is to follow that of Microsoft instead of that of Linux. Make the code as secret as possible instead of actually secure. That way one leak is all it takes to ruin an election. Also it's hard to tell if someones been tampering with them to influence an election. There are so few people that are privy to that knowlege. People that know how to operate Google excluded.
The Diebold strategy is to follow that of Microsoft instead of that of Linux. Make the code as secret as possible instead of actually secure. That way one leak is all it takes to ruin an election. Also it's hard to tell if someones been tampering with them to influence an election. There are so few people that are privy to that knowlege. People that know how to operate Google excluded.
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Personally, I just think eVoting is one of the worst ideas in government, ever. Who the fuck could possibly think it was a good idea unless they stood something to gain from it?
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[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="689002"]Personally, I just think eVoting is one of the worst ideas in government, ever. Who the fuck could possibly think it was a good idea unless they stood something to gain from it?[/quote]
Like I said, it's only a good idea when there is a hardcopy to go with it. When you vote, it aught to register digitally, then punch the data onto a reel of paper. Then after that, it should give you a receipt of what you voted for. Otherwise there is too much uncertainty involved. It can be tampered with, it can be erased, it can be buggy and miscalculate.
Like I said, it's only a good idea when there is a hardcopy to go with it. When you vote, it aught to register digitally, then punch the data onto a reel of paper. Then after that, it should give you a receipt of what you voted for. Otherwise there is too much uncertainty involved. It can be tampered with, it can be erased, it can be buggy and miscalculate.
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[quote="Prospero";p="689066"]Then after that, it should give you a receipt of what you voted for. [/quote]
There is a reason why they do not do this. It's called "Vote for our candidate and show us the reciept or your little girl loses a finger."
There is a reason why they do not do this. It's called "Vote for our candidate and show us the reciept or your little girl loses a finger."
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[quote="Prospero";p="688952"]Electronic machines should, by law, leave a paper trail.[/quote]
By what law, exactly??
Yes, that's a rhetorical question because I happen to know it to be...
By what law, exactly??
Yes, that's a rhetorical question because I happen to know it to be...
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[quote="Deacon";p="689084"][quote="Prospero";p="688952"]Electronic machines should, by law, leave a paper trail.[/quote]
By what law, exactly??
Yes, that's a rhetorical question because I happen to know it to be utter crap.[/quote]
Maybe due to your trollishness and silly fanatical conservatism and obsession of the status quo, you misinterpreted what I think should be a law with a me proclaiming that it's a law already.
By what law, exactly??
Yes, that's a rhetorical question because I happen to know it to be utter crap.[/quote]
Maybe due to your trollishness and silly fanatical conservatism and obsession of the status quo, you misinterpreted what I think should be a law with a me proclaiming that it's a law already.
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Dude, seriously? That was supposed to be a suggestion? Read what you wrote, the statement that you wrote. If that was really your intent, you did a horrible job of writing it out. Or maybe that's just my "trollishness and silly fanatical conservatism and obsession with the status quo." I'm not even sure wtf that last thing is supposed to mean, really, and I have no idea how "silly fanatical conservatism," inaccurate though it is, would have anything to do with it. Come on, now.
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Oh, please, Deacon. I got Glue's - er, Prospero's - meaning perfectly. Then again, thanks to Slashdot, I'm fairly well up on the arguments on why voting machines to leave a paper trail, and I agree with them. There should be a legal requirement that voting machines keep a paper record of votes.
The best suggestion I've heard is to have the voting machine print out a paper copy of the ballot. Use the computer tally for the initial vote, and then if anyone has any problems with the election (like, say, Robert Kennedy) you can then verify the count off the paper copies. This also maintains the anonymity of the ballots, since nothing connects a paper copy to the voter. They're treated just like traditional paper ballots. The only difference is that instead of using a pen to mark boxes, they're printed by computer.
The best suggestion I've heard is to have the voting machine print out a paper copy of the ballot. Use the computer tally for the initial vote, and then if anyone has any problems with the election (like, say, Robert Kennedy) you can then verify the count off the paper copies. This also maintains the anonymity of the ballots, since nothing connects a paper copy to the voter. They're treated just like traditional paper ballots. The only difference is that instead of using a pen to mark boxes, they're printed by computer.
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dmpotter, there is one interesting thing about machines leaving paper ballots.
My county has not used paper ballots for the main vote in DECADES. Prior to the electronic machines (which are NOT Diebold), they used mechanical lever machines (which WERE Diebold).
So, one could say we've been at the forfront of paperless voting since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
My county has not used paper ballots for the main vote in DECADES. Prior to the electronic machines (which are NOT Diebold), they used mechanical lever machines (which WERE Diebold).
So, one could say we've been at the forfront of paperless voting since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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