People get pissed when I put this shit in R&R

adciv · Post by **adciv** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:09 pm

Interesting. I see nothing that shows that that is Iraq or that it is a US Soldier. Unless someone can identify the uniform from just the helmet.

LQDMTL · Post by **LQDMTL** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:18 pm

Looked like the new camo to me. New since I was in anyway. AF and Army use the same camo. Or at least did when I was in. Whatever...

Those looked like Iraqi civilians. That looked like the back roads of an Iraqi city. That looked like the urban camo they're wearing over there right now. The soldiers sounded american.

And I agree with Deacon. A negative spin is put on every bit of news regarding Iraq. And if a negative spin can't be put on the story, the story isn't told.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:48 pm

What LQDMTL says is true.

True or not, none of what he said redeems their actions or even diminishes how fucked it is. None of that changes the fact that they were hanging the bottle out there to taunt the kids, or that those bastards apparently found the whole thing to be hilarious.

LQDMTL · Post by **LQDMTL** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:51 pm

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="695103"]True or not, none of what he said redeems their actions or even diminishes how fucked it is. None of that changes the fact that they were hanging the bottle out there to taunt the kids, or that those bastards apparently found the whole thing to be hilarious.[/quote]

I even said in that post that I wasn't making excuses for the guy. Would you be this pissed if some guy in texas had done this with some random neighborhood kid? Probably not. You'd probably laugh. There was a fine line there, he crossed it, it's not a big deal. It's more of an "oops, didn't realize this would piss people off". So get over it.

StruckingFuggle · Post by **StruckingFuggle** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:09 pm

I even said in that post that I wasn't making excuses for the guy.

You say it, but then your post goes on to make it like it's not a big deal, which sure tastes a lot like excuses...

Would you be this pissed if some guy in texas had done this with some random neighborhood kid? Probably not. You'd probably laugh.

Uhm, no and fuck you. I'd be pissed at that, too. Not quite as much, but then again the random colon-kissing assnecklace in Texas isn't supposed to be an example of anyone and isn't supposed to necessarily be above a certain standard of behavior that soldiers in Iraq should be holding to. Sure, Lt. Fuckhead might be an aberration, but if nothing's done to discipline and censure him, and he keeps getting people being apologetic for him, it certainly seems to indicate that that incident is unfortunately within acceptable standards of behavior.

But even if he was just some random guy in Texas who probably doesn't even know who his daddy was, it'd still be a stupid and highly asshole thing to do. I wouldn't say he should be arrested like the soldier should be disciplined, but I also would crack a smile if his buddy driving the truck went off the road and he was thrown out of the back and into a tree.

NorthernComfort · Post by **NorthernComfort** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:29 pm

Would you be this pissed if some guy in texas had done this with some random neighborhood kid? Probably not. You'd probably laugh.

Captain Assuming, I see.

It doesn't matter who does it. What you reap is what you sow.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:43 pm

[quote="Deacon";p="695075"]What LQDMTL says is true. Additionally, keep in mind that this kid may be fresh out of high school at 18 or 19 and still likes to screw with people in that highschoolish/fratboy-ish way. Of course, keep in mind that kids chase the trucks all the time, water bottle notwithstanding.

Regardless, the problem is that this is the only kind of news, videos, etc, that we really get from that part of the world, often taken as a snapshot in a vacuum, with no context and no way for the viewer, comfy in their parent's homes, to relate, and it gets made into a much bigger deal than it is. We don't get videos of the guys kicking a soccer ball around with kids or talking with kids or whatever else. It's just not news. Hate sells.[/quote]

If he is a LT, he is a college graduate. I don't believe any service gives commisions to non-colledge grads anymore.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:50 pm

Where'd the LT thing come from?

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:51 pm

Several people keep saying the guy was an officer, but I can't seem to find out why.

Posted Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:55 pm:

Interesting story I just came across. Thought it was oddly fitting for this discussion.

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaMa ... ficers.htm

adciv · Post by **adciv** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:46 pm

Bigity, Are you sure that shouldn't be in the other thread?

Donomni · Post by **Donomni** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:18 pm

Youtube wrote:I would think US Soldiers have better things to do then tease poor Iraqi kids with American water. Someone should find that soldier and urinate in his canteen.

I'd willingly pee in any water jackasses like that drink, no matter if they did it in Iraq, Texas, or anywhere. Just plain stupid to do that.

Deacon, I agree. The news needs more of the happy. One of the reasons I don't watch the news is because it's always full of negative crap.

Arc Orion · Post by **Arc Orion** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:28 am

Well, the news shouldn't be happier, so much as it should be all encompassing of the topic being reported.

Seraphim · Post by **Seraphim** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:17 am

[quote="LQDMTL";p="695105"][quote="StruckingFuggle";p="695103"]True or not, none of what he said redeems their actions or even diminishes how fucked it is. None of that changes the fact that they were hanging the bottle out there to taunt the kids, or that those bastards apparently found the whole thing to be hilarious.[/quote]

I even said in that post that I wasn't making excuses for the guy. Would you be this pissed if some guy in texas had done this with some random neighborhood kid? Probably not. You'd probably laugh. There was a fine line there, he crossed it, it's not a big deal. It's more of an "oops, didn't realize this would piss people off". So get over it.[/quote]

Random children in Texas aren't that desperate for clean water.

Hearts and Minds.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:59 am

[quote="Seraphim";p="695272"]Random children in Texas aren't that desperate for clean water.[/quote]
What desperate?

Jesus, you really need to visit a third world country at least once in your life, taking a tour the actual tourists never (want to) see. You have no idea what you're talking about and how people (including kids) behave outside the US.

jimkatai · Post by **jimkatai** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:04 am

Maybe you need to go to these places, Deacon. That was probably the only water that kid has seen in awhile, and definitely the only clean water that kid has seen in a damn long time.

And, I have been to a third-world country and in the bad parts. I have done missionary trips to villages in Mexico and Romania. I know what people there are like, and that kid needed some fucking water.

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